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Maybe a tool dropped on it.
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Possible, the die could have been dropped on something as well, who knows.
At john100 I can easily see it with the naked eye so based on your comment it is a keeper?
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 Either way I'm going to keep it I don't think they are super rare but it's a decent size and a real error. Soo unless someone can tell me it's not a die gouge then this is actually my first real error find. @coop, a special thanks for your article showing me the difference between die chips and cracks, vs die scratches and gouges. |
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It is a plating bubble, not a die gouge. This is a common issue for the copper-plated zinc (CPZ) 1-cent coins from 1997 onwards. The copper-plated steel 1c coins (the ones with the 'P' on them, or stick to a magnet) do not have this issue. For those of us that have 1c PCGS Registry sets, they are a real pain (detracts from the grade). No premium or value to any error or variety collector, it's a conversation piece. Keep it if you like - that is why we collect. Here is a nice MS-66 2003 CPZ (from smallcentguy's PCGS registry), and I point out the plating bubble issues with the blue arrows.  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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@SPP-Ottawa, how can you tell the difference? The photo I posted the bubble or gouge is much bigger then those, is there a way to test to see if it is a gas bubble and not a gas bubble?
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This bubble looks exactly like examples of die gouges iv seen so how can I find out for sure if it's a bubble or not
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Reading up on this issue a bit, it's not impossible that it's a die gouge but the odds are much much much more in the favor of it being a plating bubble., And I'm assuming the only way to know for sure would be to pop the buble, and if it is not a bubble I would just be damaging the coin. But if that's the only way to know for sure it's no loss to me if it is a bubble. How would one go about intentionally popping a plating bubble? Just push on it hard with a metal pin.
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Again, the RCM's decision to make coins this way was an accident waiting to happen. The coins aren't struck for their longevity or prettiness. They are/were a domestic product for consumption by the public. They are no different than paper clips, bobby pins, or toothpicks. They were made to be used until they wore out, as long as they resembled what they started out as. |
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 I understand that okiecoiner. But a die gouge on a zing coin isn't impossible, it's just 1000× more likely to be a bubble, so I would like to know how to test if it is a bubble(assuming popping it would be the only way to know for sure. So how would you pop a plating bubble? Also it's frustrating never being able to find anything after looking through tens of thousands of coins  |
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Well, maybe you should try to specialize in varieties rather than errors. keep looking for what you want by going through coins and studying, especially the archives here on this site. Buy 007's book/paper when it comes out.
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I'm putting aside as many penny varieties as I can when I'm looking, iv got all the 47 varieties, and mayb 1948-49, I'm looking for all varieties, going through 2000+ pennies is taking time though. My time I can actually spend doing detailed searching is limited.
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This is a plating bubble as suggested, take your fingernail or a wooden toothpick and push it, if it indents or compresses then you will know it was only a plating bubble, super common for 2000, 2001, 1952-2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005 copper-plated zinc cents.
They were producing a lot of small cents those years and quality control for the plating really didn't seem as strict as it should have been to prevent bubbling. Die gouges/scrapes can happen on copper-plated zinc but are not as common as plating issues and do look a bit different.
What you have here collectors wouldn't classify as an error or variety, but as SPP-Ottawa suggests, if you like it then keep it.
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Here is what a die scratch/gouge looks like on a copper-plated zinc cent. This is a 1998 I found a couple of months ago with some interesting die damage.   Notice how it is raised and has sharp edges? This is usually how you can tell die scratches from plating bubbles. A plating bubble/blister will usually have well rounded edges, while die scratches, gouges etc. will have sharp looking edges. Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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As I said I agree that it's is most likely a bubble, I'll poke it when I get home. What is it then if it's solid and not a bubble? The example in coops post about die gouges looks a lot like mine. I'm not going to get my hopes up, probably 1/10 chance it's a die bubble vs the probably 1/10,000 chance that it's a die gouge.
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Yup definitely a bubble, scraped it off with a drywall nail. Mayb next time lol.iv been putting all the American pennies u find aside, the info for specific years and errors for American coins seem alot more vast and detailed on what actually a decent error. One roll was actually 90% American coins, several 2021 shield coins. I'm going to look through them before I actually start looking through the pennies.
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