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Most excellent, bobby131313. :) That's the last time I'm wearing a red sweatshirt while ptohographing coins. Becky, the tool can be constrained to a circle, but the start point does not stay in place when I expand it, like the square tool does. Therefore, I can't make it define the diameter of the coin. The only way I can do it is to minutely adjust the size of a fixed-size circle until I hit the diameter right, and then drag it over the coin. Then, the Crop function disappears. I can only crop in a square, not a circle.  Anyways, here's the second coin from Rob Joyce's 1921 Pitted Die page: 1921-P VAM 30, formerly VAM 1DThis variety is characterized by pitting within, and in the field outside, the right wing. Further pitting can be seen below the arrows, and on the pictured coin there is also pitting on a line between the tailfeathers and leaves (not mentioned in any published description). Neither of my two examples show the described left-star tripling, and only the upper middle of the S in PLURIBUS shows doubling visible in a loupe. All other doubling and tripling requires a microscope to identify.   
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I thought I found a VAM 1E/F a couple weeks ago, but it was a VAM 15  . So, here's the next one in my collection, a VAM 3B. 1921-P VAM 3BThe 3B dies had a hard life, evidenced by the extensive cracking both obverse and reverse. The reverse is pitted above the D and to the right of the bow. In addition, there is a die chip in the denticles just below the O, which makes this an easy variety to cherrypick with the naked eye. There are two types of this VAM, 3B1 as described above, and 3B2, a clashed-die version with the "n" from "In" (next to the neck) and "t" from "trust" (behind the hair) on the obverse, and the designer's initial "M" on the reverse above the "d" in "God." Although both of my examples show clashing, neither rise to the level of incused letters, which makes specific attribution difficult in this case. Editorial comment: I'm including two sets of pics here, as the darker ones (the way I prefer to shoot them but seemingly not the acceptable standard) show the die cracks better than the lighter shots, which show the pitting better. Your choice.     
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Rest in Peace
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SuperDave, great thread and great photo's ! We will all certainly learn a great deal about VAMS from this work. I think you have started something really cool! Thanks, Mike  
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Loads of information. Its great that you can narrow your collecting down to one year. I do good to stay in one type or country more less year lol. Great job.
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There's something viscerally pleasing about holding a slab with a pair of Channel-Locks, and hitting the edge with a hammer. That was part of the pleasure I was able to enjoy in the process of presenting this next coin, as I had to crack it out to photograph. Calm down, guys. It was an NTC slab. 1921-P VAM 3EThis variety is known for pitting in the field below the arrow- and tail-feathers, and around the A and R in DOLLAR. My example shows none of the mentioned pitting around the N, but it does have pitting in areas not mentioned in the official description. The field pitting is easily seen in the larger pics, so I won't present a detail of it.   Pitting around the A:  Pitting around the R:  Unlike the official description, this one is pitted in other places. The C in AMERICA:  The denticles next to the right-side reverse star:  The eagle has a beard  : 
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A little background: I'm obtaining all these coins from online auctions. In order to do that, I look at every single 1921 Morgan at ebay, Yahoo, Teletrade, Superior, Heritage and a couple others. Many times I have to decide whether or not to pull the trigger based on small, out-of-focus or altered photographs. Occasionally I get burnt - of 40 or so coins I've bought in this effort, 4 were not at all what I thought they were, and two others were the VAM I expected but whizzed. The next coin in the series was pictured like this (actual size):  I took the chance that this was a VAM 3F, and I was correct. It also represents the longest I've reached out for a coin - it came from China. I am quite excited about this one - when you see the details, you'll understand why. 1921-P VAM 3F (formerly VAM 3K) VAM 3F is noted for a sizable die gouge in the lower right wing, and pitting in some examples around the lower right wreath and the AR in DOLLAR. This particular example shows pitting in other areas, a unique die gouge below the tail feathers, and significant polishing activity in the upper tail feathers.   The wing gouge is large, but not visible to my (aging) eyes:  Pitting around the first S in STATES: A die gouge from the tail feathers to the wreath. Note the northeast-southwest line is post-mint damage; the line from northwest-southeast is the die gouge:  The upper tail feathers. What were they thinking when they did this? Note the left side feathers are completely polished away:  Editorial comment: Do you think I should include a detail shot of the "standard" pitting with this one?
Edited by SsuperDdave 03/09/2006 5:48 pm
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Next is the VAM 3G. 1921-P VAM 3G (formerly VAM 3C)This variety is easy to cherrypick, marked by notable pitting around the UN of UNITED, and somewhat more subtle pitting around the LL of DOLLAR. In addition, there are prominent die cracks over STATES and from the left wing through AMER. The obverse features die cracks through both sets of stars, and one from the U of PLURIBUS through LIBERTY and exiting behind the right wheat leaf.   The crack through STATES is large enough to be called a break in the first T:  The same can be said of the crack at the top left of the L: 
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Here's one of the superstars of the Pitted 1921's - the VAM 24A Flag Break. This coin is currently at ANACS, one of the coins in my contest elsewhere on this site; the pics were hurried and I intend to improve upon them later. 1921-P VAM 24AEasily the most recognizable Pitted Die 1921-P, this coin features a prominent pennant-shaped die break over the U in UNITED. In addition, a smaller break is to be found within the N in UNITED. The VAM 24A qualifies as a Pitted Die variety through pitting around the G in God and ONE, and my example also shows pitting above the M in AMERICA.   The flag break above the U:  A smaller break in the N:  Pitting around the G:  Pitting over the M: 
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Pillar of the Community
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Hi Dave
Very interesting thread,, I have never been into the Morgans much until recently, when I started collecting the New Orleans mint coins with die cracks,, Will you eventually Move your work to these coins ? Or do you know anyone or anywhere that I might find Info on them ?
I was also wondering why you selected the 1921 as your target coin?
Thanks !!
Rick
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Rick, I settled where I did because, first, I'm fascinated by errors and 1921 Morgans have a large and diverse series of them. Second, 1921's trade far below the value of other Morgans, and I'm acquiring this collection at rediculously low prices. Nothing I've posted here cost as much as $30 shipped to me. I'm not exclusively collecting these, though. I have a fondness for O-mint coins myself. Here's a New Orleans die crack for you from my collection: 
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks Dave
I appreciate the Photo !! Very nice Die Crack !!
If you get the chance check the 1921-S that posted in Error variety forum.
Thanks Rick
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quote: Originally posted by Metalman
Thanks Dave
I appreciate the Photo !! Very nice Die Crack !!
If you get the chance check the 1921-S that posted in Error variety forum.
Thanks Rick
Done.
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Forum Dad
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Keep 'em comin' Dave! I probably won't get to them until Monday. I'm going to set up a page for each VAM. Great Work!
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Pillar Of The Community
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Thanks Dave, nice work 
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Bedrock of the Community
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I have put up the informatin on how to tell what makes up the B1 reverse morgans and how to distinguish which VAM# has which characteristics each VAM has. I have had many people on this forum asking to explain what exactly a B1 reverse morgan was and how to tell them from any other morgan so I figured I would take a picture of each B1 reverse morgan I had in my collection and show what is different with each of them. I could create a thread with this information alone for all the people to see in the main discussion area since some people will not click on a coin in the grading area if they know nothing about that specific type of coin ( I know I usually dont anyway) but if anyone right now wants to see the differences you can click here for now until I see if this is a good idea to make a specific thread on or not https://goccf.com/t/4651 scroll down to the 16th post and it has all the information on each different VAM# that the B1 reverse consists of except the VAM-81 which I do not have yet but it explains in the thread what characteristics it has also
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