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Is This A Early Forgery ?

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 Posted 11/26/2021  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list
Looks real to me. May have a brassy colour as its toned or been around coppery coins a lot. Wear is consistent with a coin in VG to gVG condition. Its the last year of King George III and a nice design.
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 Posted 11/26/2021  05:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coaster to your friends list

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It is certainly brass or gold in colour

This alone would make me question the authenticity of this coin especially when it is known that silver coated fakes have emerged in the past.

I would be checking the specs that sel_69l has provided, starting with the weight.

Also check that the coin's thickness is 1.2 mm.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces8476.html
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 Posted 11/26/2021  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coaster to your friends list

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Anyone help with this coin please?

After making some comparisons I'm now 99.9% certain that your coin is counterfeit.

EDIT - I don't know why but my post isn't displaying correctly when I add photos and links? I'll try again in the morning.
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11/26/2021 09:17 am
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 Posted 11/26/2021  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list
Definitley counterfeit.
The date alone tells you that.
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 Posted 11/26/2021  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Why does the date give it away? Just curious.
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 Posted 11/26/2021  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list

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Why does the date give it away? Just curious.

Did a quick side by side to show just a couple of the differences.
Every number is different
Shape of bottom of bust is different
Spacing is different between bust and bullets

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11/26/2021 10:39 am
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 Posted 11/26/2021  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I see, thanks.
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 Posted 11/26/2021  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westy00 to your friends list
Nice JimmyD
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 Posted 11/26/2021  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coaster to your friends list

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After making some comparisons I'm now 99.9% certain that your coin is counterfeit.

I'm still not sure why my post last night wouldn't display properly but I'll try again now that I'm not half asleep!
Note - I see that JimmyD has since posted one of the two indicators that I had been trying to post

In the comparisons below the first image is of your coin, the second is from All Coin Values https://www.allcoinvalues.com/unite...-over-s.html and the third is from NGC Coin https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...duid-1324201


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As depicted, an indicator on the obverse is that the bottom of the bust is too far away from the colon following 'D' and on the reverse there are too many raised dots surrounding the rampant lion.

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 Posted 11/26/2021  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
What is the possibility that the OP's coin is a die variety?
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 Posted 11/26/2021  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list
Between slim and none.
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 Posted 11/26/2021  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coaster to your friends list

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What is the possibility that the OP's coin is a die variety?

Personally I don't think so as there seems to be just too many irregularities.

Looking at the obverse it appears that the surface wear is at different stages when you compare the two areas pointed out below.
Also you will notice that the circled ribbon lengths are even in length when compared with the other two coins.


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However the double dot on the reverse of the All Coin Values coin may well be a die variety?

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 Posted 12/15/2021  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
In my experience counterfeits in this series are VERY common. There are literally dozens of known varieties. Chances of a rare die variety are so low I would say infinitesimal. Just look at the details on the royal crest.
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 Posted 12/18/2021  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list
The counterfeits are not without value, provided they are contemporary
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 Posted 12/18/2021  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
windweaver77 You are 100% correct.

The coin is a contemporary counterfeit and therefore of some value. My comment was not meant to indicate that this particular example is so common that it is worthless - just that there are many contemporary varieties available.

The comment about a rare die variety was directed at genuine coins. This series represents the NEW English issue done with steam power and using all of the modern innovations introduced by Matthew Bolton. The number of rare varieties is low, and I would speculate that because collecting coins has been popular for much longer than US issues, that all of the die varieties are actually known. At one time, I did collect English coinage because of my ancestry, the English coins were typically made without significant varieties like US or Mexican types. I never have lost my interest in counterfeits - especially Mexican.

I own about 2 dozen George III counterfeit shillings, so I am far from being an expert on the series, however, the prices are rarely very high for examples in this grade. Unless this die pair is extremely rare, it is not a particularly valuable example and is unlikely to be worth more than $20.

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