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1941 S Nickel. Not As Good As I Had Hoped. What Do You Think In Terms Of Grading? :(

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 Posted 04/11/2022  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Yes, mid-grade AU, shows light circulation. Would be a solid hole filler until better comes along.
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 Posted 04/11/2022  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newherehavingfun to your friends list

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Yes, mid-grade AU, shows light circulation. Would be a solid hole filler until better comes along.

Thank you so much. :)
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Canada
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 Posted 04/11/2022  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
Sorry to say, look very nice for a circulate coin. It is a high grade of the circulate coin. The markers are there.
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 Posted 04/11/2022  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newherehavingfun to your friends list

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Sorry to say, look very nice for a circulate coin. It is a high grade of the circulate coin. The markers are there.

That's great to know. I'll add better pics tomorrow! Thanks!
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 Posted 04/12/2022  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newherehavingfun to your friends list
I tried again to get better images but they might be the same quality. I just wanted to be certain that this nickel is circulated. Clearly it appears that way. I am bummed that it was supposed to be gem uncirculated but it's a lesson learned.


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 Posted 04/12/2022  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
It might be a low-grade MS example, but the value isn't that much either way.
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 Posted 04/12/2022  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newherehavingfun to your friends list

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It might be a low-grade MS example, but the value isn't that much either way.

Got it, thanks. High AU, low MS. Sorry about the pics!
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 Posted 04/12/2022  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
Sorry it is not AU. Explain: High point have marks of circulation and also the rims. You have on Observe fingers print on the East side. So you can decided your self. Between 45 and 48 it is mince space.
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 Posted 04/12/2022  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newherehavingfun to your friends list

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Sorry it is not AU. Explain: High point have marks of circulation and also the rims. You have on Observe fingers print on the East side. So you can decided your self. Between 45 and 48 it is mince space.

So XF? I see a fingerprint now on the reverse. Thanks :)
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 Posted 04/13/2022  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
This is not an XF coin. High AU at worse, leaning low MS personally.

Marks at the high points are planchet marks, marks that were on the planchet before striking they were not removed by strike. Very common to see in this series on weakly struck examples. Points where these can be seen are the hair above the ear, jaw, and shoulder, along with the lower steps and central portion of Monticello on the reverse. Same can be said for the rim marks on the obverse at K12, K2, and K6.

A fingerprint is not an indicator of a circulated coin, just a mishandled coin.

First set of pics show a problem free example. The second set, showing blast white surface, with some frost in the below points, make it look like it may have been dipped. This could very well be a lighting issue as well. This is why grading from images is so difficult. Grading is already an opinionated subject, grading solely by images makes it more subjective.
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 Posted 04/13/2022  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list
the surfaces have a sort of granular haze to them that I've never seen before, and I've studied nickels more than any other denomination, it makes me think Ty2020b is correct this coin may have been dipped in some sort of cleaner in the past, or maybe the photos simply exaggerate a natural frost, unusual coins like this need to be in hand for a precise grade
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 Posted 04/13/2022  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newherehavingfun to your friends list

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This is not an XF coin. High AU at worse, leaning low MS personally.

Marks at the high points are planchet marks, marks that were on the planchet before striking they were not removed by strike. Very common to see in this series on weakly struck examples. Points where these can be seen are the hair above the ear, jaw, and shoulder, along with the lower steps and central portion of Monticello on the reverse. Same can be said for the rim marks on the obverse at K12, K2, and K6.

A fingerprint is not an indicator of a circulated coin, just a mishandled coin.

First set of pics show a problem free example. The second set, showing blast white surface, with some frost in the below points, make it look like it may have been dipped. This could very well be a lighting issue as well. This is why grading from images is so difficult. Grading is already an opinionated subject, grading solely by images makes it more subjective.


Thanks for the clarity. Wow. To me it looks like heavy wear, due to my inexperience. So this is very helpful. I wish I could get better pics but with my phone it's impossible. Under the 2x2 it looked so beautiful. If it's been dipped then is its value degraded? I know not to clean coins and that would make the seller a total fraud. Ugh. A lot to learn! The first images were taken in daylight, the second were under various light sources, one being aimed directly at the coin. So, it's hard to tell but I understand what you're saying. Thanks so much.
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 Posted 04/13/2022  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newherehavingfun to your friends list

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the surfaces have a sort of granular haze to them that I've never seen before, and I've studied nickels more than any other denomination, it makes me think Ty2020b is correct this coin may have been dipped in some sort of cleaner in the past, or maybe the photos simply exaggerate a natural frost, unusual coins like this need to be in hand for a precise grade

Thank you. It's so costly to grade, my original intent before asking in the forum was to send it in, but now I am not so sure. I will check prices at ANACS to see but I certainly don't want to waste more money on a coin that's been cleaned lol. Did you see the same haze in both sets of photos? Thank you very much.
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 Posted 04/13/2022  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list
not worth pro grading IMO

the original photos show a bit of haze too, which pair of photos comes closest to the coin's appearance while in hand?
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 Posted 04/13/2022  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newherehavingfun to your friends list

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not worth pro grading IMO

the original photos show a bit of haze too, which pair of photos comes closest to the coin's appearance while in hand?

To be honest, neither. Which doesn't help any of us. To the eye it looks really nice and superbly shiny and lustrous. More like it does behind the 2x2. (Included below) Without magnification it looks pretty great.

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