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Maybe late on this post, sorry. Look clear we have a defect planchet due to the poor mix of alloy. It is an 1969 coin so probably in few years the all piece in that part will go away. The time will ask his price.
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 damaged planchet, possibly this planchet came from the end or side of a stock roll. Edited by Wrekkdd
07/23/2022 03:32 am
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what setup are you using to image coins? Thanks for the great comments on the photography everybody! I am using a custom setup from macrocoins.com by Ray Parkhurst. It's a Canon Rebel T7 and I use stacking software for the macro shots. Those macro shots are multiple photos blended together to keep multiple depths in focus. I like stacking but the subscription runs out in a couple weeks and I'm not sure I'll re-up it. I've been using this setup for a year now and while I get positive feedback on the photos in general, I've never seen this much of a response to my photos. There are a couple reasons I believe this is happening. My last couple posts I changed the orientation of the coin under the camera and this has helped clear up glare resulting in smoother overall lighting. I should have done this sooner. The second reason is the new Pixlr Image Optimizer. Before, I would edit photos on my phone then upload, now with the new Optimizer I'm able to see the larger screen version and edits are looking better I feel. I've always really enjoyed your photos Yokozuna so no need for changing it up imo  |
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Thanks for the feedback on this CCF!
I had thought about a planchet issue too but felt that the piece struck through matched the missing area on the rim. So with a flawed planchet, is there not a struck through designation?
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978 |
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A flawed planchet happens before the coin is struck, sometimes before the blank is even punched there can be a flaw.
With a detached rim burr it is detached during the strike, therefore for a coin to be struck through its own rim burr it would have to be struck twice, which they didn't do with business strikes so I don't think that's a possibility, or at least a really slim one.
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07/23/2022 05:00 am
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This was struck on a damaged planchet, but more precisely it was struck through a rim burr, which was retained. Thus the OP is correct in their assessment.
You can see exactly where the metal originated from on the edge of the planchet and where it is now, after the strike. The burr was likely still attached to the planchet prior to striking. When the dies came together, the burr was folded inward, and it remains there still.
Admittedly, the shape of the burr is slightly different than what is typically seen. However, burrs on planchets can occur in numerous ways, so it should be expected that there are some oddly shaped burrs! In this case, I believe the shape is somewhat distorted due to the metal flow as "ONE" was being filled in with metal from the burr.
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07/23/2022 07:17 am
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Really nice photos Interesting issue. I have no idea which it could be. Can't wait to find out. |
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Admittedly, the shape of the burr is slightly different than what is typically seen. However, burrs on planchets can occur in numerous ways, so it should be expected that there are some oddly shaped burrs! In this case, I believe the shape is somewhat distorted due to the metal flow as "ONE" was being filled in with metal from the burr. I like this explanation, thanks. "Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978 |
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I'm on the flawed/defective planchet team. IMHO, this missing metal happened after the planchet exited the upturning mill for applying the proto-rim.
Also, this looks a lot like an incomplete alloy mixture as Silviosi mentioned.
Does the rim area above IN, on the obv, wrap around from the other side?
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We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
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Thanks Petespockets55- I don't see any indication this feature is affecting the obverse besides maybe some minor strike weakness in the rim around IN.
I think it's possible for this to be a defective planchet and a struck through rim burr. Like errorcoins222 said, burrs can occur to planchets/coins by multiple ways. I think we're use to seeing burrs caused by ejection contact with the collar but something else happened here, likely before it was fed into the press.
I'm not seeing how the alloy mix has anything to do with this error besides some slight color differences.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978 |
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Pillar of the Community
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The striations on the left side of the gouge would indicate a planchet flaw...the metal wasn't ripped off.
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Thanks CoinHi. I've added some arrows to your obverse image. The area of the rim above IN is where it looks like the metal has a "crease" from the metal being folded on itself. IMHO, it doesn't look like just a scratch but it might be.  Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
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Although the torn-up, dislocated, struck-in metal lacks the classic fang-like appearance of a struck-in rim burr, that's just what it is. Not all rim burrs conform to expectations as far as appearance goes.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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07/25/2022 5:44 pm
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Thanks for taking a look Mike. I was close to describing this as a struck-in but wasn't sure it applied here.
Petespockets - The edge photo shows no evidence of this wrapping around to the obverse imo. Your arrows are pointing to what I see as minor strike weakness.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978 |
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Thanks so much, Mike for the attribution and CoinHi for doing a double take on that area of the rim.
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