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Non-Coin Collector Needs Advice On Recent Coin Purchase

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 Posted 08/25/2022  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuamNumis to your friends list
@Zurie - I appreciate the compliment but I cannot take credit for the photography, that was all courtesy of the dealer who sold them to me. I couldn't even begin to photograph them so well.
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 Posted 08/25/2022  01:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuamNumis to your friends list
As I understand it, old Spanish coins are sometimes unusual in shape or thickness because so many coins were melted down and remade into multiple coins in some of the more remote Spanish territories. Is this true?
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 Posted 08/25/2022  03:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list
The Spanish coin is either a dinero (if weighing around 1 g) or an obol (if around 0.3 g) and either Jaime I (1213-76) or Jaime II (1291-1327), made of billon (low-grade silver). It looks fine and authentic to me.

Uneven shape and thickness is normal for medieval coins due to them being manufactured by hammering. The same goes for Roman coins, and that their edges can be rough and uneven in shape even though the coin surfaces look fine is also normal and a consequence of the manufacturing process.
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 Posted 08/25/2022  03:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
The "Spanish coin" is mediaeval, not ancient. And "paper-thin" is normal for mediaeval coins.

To be more specific, it's a silver denaro of a king Jaime (IACOBVS REX around the patriarchal cross) of the Kingdom of Aragon (ARA-GON around the portrait). I don't know the series well enough to tell if it's a coin of Jaime I (AD 1213-1276) or Jaime II (1291-1327), but apparently these ones with the patriarchal cross are normally attributed to Jaime II.

The Roman coins all look fairly typical of "genuine" Late Roman Bronzes.
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 Posted 08/25/2022  04:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Here is a link you might like https://www.vcoins.com/en/coins/ancient-2.aspx
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 Posted 08/25/2022  06:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list
They are real. Catawiki is like ebay, but Lucernae are on VCoins.
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 Posted 08/25/2022  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Excellent photography indeed.



to the CCF!
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 Posted 08/25/2022  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list
Welcome! Your coins look authentic to me. But be careful buying ancient or modern coins. Lots of fakes out there. Lucernae is a good dealer. I've bought ancient coins from him for years.
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 Posted 08/25/2022  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
I see nothing suggesting that any of these coins are anything but real. Thin but high relief is common for ancient coins, and outright normal for medieval coins, like your Aragon dinero.

The Roman coin at bottom right of the compilation pic looks intriguing - do you have better pictures, especially of the portrait side?
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 Posted 08/25/2022  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuamNumis to your friends list
Thanks all for the helpful responses. I am pleased to hear that my instincts lead me correctly when purchasing these coins based on the photos. I was just unprepared for how thin a few of the coins were when I examined them in person.
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I see nothing suggesting that any of these coins are anything but real. Thin but high relief is common for ancient coins, and outright normal for medieval coins, like your Aragon dinero.

The Roman coin at bottom right of the compilation pic looks intriguing - do you have better pictures, especially of the portrait side?


@january1may - here you go


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 Posted 08/25/2022  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list

Agree with @sap...Here's mine..

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Jaime II Aragon 1291-1327
Dinero (Billon) Approx 18mm diameter - 1.17gr
Obverse - Crowned portrait facing left..Legend around ARA - GON
Reverse - Double cross..Legend around IACOBUS REX
Mint Jaca...Cru-364

Nice group of authentic coins..
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 Posted 08/25/2022  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list
Medieval silver is always very thin. Nice coins!
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 Posted 08/26/2022  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
@quam, I don't have anything to add regarding that silver Dinero other than to offer to try to track down an attribution number for you if you'd like.
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