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Fat Man Dollar Real Or Fake

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 Posted 01/11/2023  03:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list
Where did you get it?
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 Posted 01/11/2023  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Caddis to your friends list
Family collection that I'm going through.
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 Posted 01/11/2023  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list
Look for "Chinese Republic" coins. Possibly "Kwangtung" dynasty.
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 Posted 01/13/2023  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list

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Family collection that I'm going through.

That's a good sign!
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 Posted 01/13/2023  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JTCC to your friends list
"Possibly "Kwangtung" dynasty."

Kwangtung is a region in China, not a dynasty.
This coin is post dynasty China, obverse symbols indicates that it was minted in republic year 9 (1922).
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 Posted 01/17/2023  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list

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Kwangtung is a region in China, not a dynasty.


Thank you for the correction. You are so right! :-)
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 Posted 01/31/2023  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andi10 to your friends list
Hello!
General Yuan Shi Kaļ (second president of the Chinese Republic,settled in 1912) silver 1 yuan coin (''Fat Man'' dollar) looks genuine to me.
Andi
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 Posted 02/15/2023  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wizened to your friends list
That coin seems off to me, at least on the fatman side. The hair looks wrong, as does the mustache.
I checked ebay to find a slabbed MS 64 fatman sold with many bids, and the hair and mustache are different.
This coin is heavily counterfeited.
If real, it would be a very high grade coin to have so little wear. Send it off for grading, and if real it would be worth well over $1,000 I think. But do specific gravity and precise weight tests first, as if it is fake you might determine that without cost.
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I agree that the hair looks kind of wonky.
I'd also check on the thickness to make sure it's accurate.
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 Posted 02/15/2023  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andi10 to your friends list
For wizened!
Hello! 1000$? This is the commonest silver coin of the early Chinese republic! True that heavily counterfeited but if genuine it is not worth more than 100$, in XF condition! (200usd if MS60)
This is what you ment,NO?! And you have put another 0 by error!
Andi
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 Posted 02/15/2023  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Caddis to your friends list
Thanks for the feedback. I did send the pics to dragon dollar and this was the reply.

Hello,

You have a genuine 1920 Yuan Shih Kai dollar in AU condition, lightly cleaned. It should be worth about $150 USD.

Kind regards,
Raphael Prevost
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 Posted 02/17/2023  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wizened to your friends list
The value? People are saying $150 or so, but look at sources.
ebay recently sold this one for $400: 1920 L&M-77 $1 Yuan Shih-kai Fat Man Silver Dollar Hainan Issue NGC AU Details
This for $533: 1920 PCGS UNC [cleaned] Detail Y-329 LM-77 Fat Man Silver Dollar China $1 Coin #26774A
That's prices for AU and UNC coins sold on ebay with details.
NGC rates the coin in XF at $500
I am still stuck on the hair, which if real, could be UNC or better in grade.
True it is cleaned, which may be what makes it look off. But the ebay UNC coin sold is cleaned too, and it sold at $533.
Okay the coin if real at $1000 appears excessive, but I remain in the belief that it would be worthwhile to slab the coin, after doing a specific gravity test and measuring a specific weight to verify it meets proper specs.

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I was watching this YouTube channel, and it remind me of this post, you need to turn on the captions to read what is going on, the translation is little misleading, but at the "O" version when the dealer explaining to the seller, what the dealer meant that this die was produced in Europe for this last edition.

And plenty of varieties for the Fat Man dollars that US collectors will have a tough time deciphering, never mind the TPG services.
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 Posted 02/26/2023  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list
There are alot of comments mentioning his videos are staged and I'm leaning towards that conclusion.
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