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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I believe the line under IGWT and through the eagle is a die crack.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
557 Posts |
Could be a die crack. If so, I revise my guess to MS61.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
18712 Posts |
AU55 or MS60
tough call on scratches or cracks. I think scratches on the rev so good chance she would detail
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36880 Posts |
MS details, scratched. Looks like two of them on the reverse, the obvious one and one going through Unum.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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@psuman08 - can you provide evidence or a link to corroborate this as a die break?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1778 Posts |
This coin was graded PCGS MS-64 CAC! Nobody was close. When I saw it in the auction I was shocked at the grade and the fact that it CACed. I felt like the scratch through the eagle into Unum could details it - but would have guessed AU-55. I can get nowhere near 64. @Coinfrog, here is a link to the sale on Stacks, https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...64-PCGS-cac. If you enlarge the image it looked like a die crack to me (raised).  |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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At a slab (straight) grade of MS-64 CAC,
I am not surprised that nobody was close.
Scratch? or die crack? not mentioned - why?
I believe 'nobody's' average grade of AU-58 is correct.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
18712 Posts |
would not touch this coin at MS64 $$ regardless of what CAC says.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2365 Posts |
Presumably graded through a 10X. A 10X doesn't show nearly the detail that our photos do on CCF. I think they gave it a high grade due to it's luster, and immediate eye appear, and may not have seen or cared about (?) the die crack/scratch. It's still a beautiful coin! None the less - go with it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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To my eye it's definitely a scratch. Zoom in on the Stack's image, especially in the tail feathers. The bottom edge of it is also highlighted by the lighting, indicating it's incuse, and there's displaced raised metal along the edge. It also matches the scratch through UNUM, which I don't think anyone can argue is a die crack. That one alone should have been enough to detail it in my view. I also looked at a bunch on Heritage and there were none having the same thing, which you would expect if it was on the die.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
Portugal
678 Posts |
I thought the line below TRUST can be from the die, not a scratch. In the image here it looks like the line below the armpit of Saint George in the MS64 in PCGS site https://www.PCGS.com/valueview/vict...207061&h=popThat one is not a scratch. I have a 1890 sovereign with the same line, from the same reverse die. Could see in the microscope it is a little depression from the die. But in this coin, in the image from the auction, looks like a scratch. I have bought a 1910-S Saint Gaudens with what I thought was a die crack. Examined in the microscope, it was a scratch. Will not post photo because I kept none, returned it. There is one only from shop site. Sometimes you can only tell with coin in hand and microscope. |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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If it is possible to only know for for sure that those lines are on the coin or the die by hand held examination,
then surely PCGS should know.
So why no short mention on the slab?
Edited by sel_69l
03/21/2023 08:31 am
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Valued Member
United States
484 Posts |
Definetly not a die crack.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
If not a die crack, then it is a 'details scratched'.
Has to be a PCGS faux pas.
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