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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The indentations appear to be directly opposite each other from obverse to reverse. Have you taken a set of calipers and determined if this is so? If it is, it seems to indicate to me that the coin had been in a clamp of some sort. Can't explain the gas bubbles but I do not see how you could have foreign material on both dies in the exact same place and in the exact same shape. Just don't see how it could happen.
Jim
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Valued Member
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Your comments coppercoins are useless to me, and for your information I will not state the name you said these could be possible strike thrus on both sides of the coin it can happen. I wanted to see other opinions on the coin because I know what they are it;s been said to me by an expert they are strike thrus because of the gas bubbles with in the craters this will not happen if it was done outside the mint this happen at the mint
JAZEC
Edited by Jazzcoins 03/17/2009 10:00 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I am seeing nothing but a damaged coin. Plating corrosion in the form of gas bubbles has nothing to do with it being a struck-through or not, that occurs when dirty blanks have been plated and is completely separate from the striking process.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Key word is "possible" Yep--posts like this are best started in question mode, versus a quick leap to certainty. Otherwise, one ends up defending suppositions on the basis of feelings/opinions which cannot be proven/disproven from the basis of fact. If I may suggest a little more investigative rigor, here's a useful method to discuss coins or any other subject: 1. Good data, ie provide the best possible photos that clearly depict what you'd like to discuss. Photos need to provide enough visual evidence to confirm (or disprove) the original question for everyone involved. We cannot talk about things with certainty that we cannot clearly see. 2. Start with a question and all possible options such as: "What are the physical properties of these marks, and are they explained best by a mint process, by post-mint damage, or by tampering, etc.? Such open-ended questions are necessary to cover all the possible bases without initial bias. 3. Given the data and possible options, if causes are put forward that are more factually grounded and provide a better explanation for what we see, then nobody should be surprised if that's the general consensus. The details of the coin should convince us-- nothing else. I would say this much is obvious--Critical Thinking 101. 
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United States
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The coin is without a doubt damaged and is not struck through anything. It no doubt happened after it left the mint. I can see no way depressions could happen in 3 places on each side of the coin and have the 3 on the obverse line up with the 3 on the reverse.  Now if they were raised I could understand it as it could happen if something hard got between the dies and dented both dies.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Why do they have to be raised it could have been a foreign object in between both dies and left those impressions.
JAZEC
Edited by Jazzcoins 03/18/2009 7:22 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Tough Crowd! I would remind all, this is suppose to be a family-oriented"friendly" learning environment! PS:Thank-you! 
Edited by Morgans Dad 03/18/2009 10:23 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't even want to calculate the odds of something being on the obverse and the reverse in the exact same spot to cause a strike-through such as that. If it is indeed a strike-though, please send it in to be graded, and post back! We'd all love to hear!  Edited for spelling!
Edited by xshift 03/18/2009 9:55 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Tough Crowd! I would remind all, this is suppose to be a family-orientated friendly learning enviornment! What on eath did you find offensive so far in this thread?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I say send it in to be Graded 
Edited by daviscfad 03/18/2009 10:31 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Jazzcoins, I too would like to hear what a third party would say, sometimes when you have the coin "in hand" things appear clearer to you and maybe not as clear to others from a picture, good luck.be well, Mike... 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Just a thought, Is it possible that something could of been placed on the dies, obverse and reverse before this coin was struck, leaving a raised clash, when they struck each other with no Planchet between and when this coin was struck this is the result. I know this is very unlikely, however it could happen. The mint has had it's employee's that were apparently very bored and who knows, it is possible!!... 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 I agree send it to get graded.
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i want to thank all for there opinions on my coin. I especially thank Morgan dad for being so kind in his approach. I will send this coin in it has been a mystery ever since I found it in circulation. Thank you all again JAZEC
Edited by Jazzcoins 03/19/2009 10:31 am
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