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1957 Lincoln Cent Possible Double On The D Of God?

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 Posted 07/01/2023  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
Brandmeister, you've been trying very hard and that's good but that's a proof DDO and the OP's is a business strike. There is no doubled die here. Keep at it though, you are doing well.
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 Posted 07/01/2023  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
I agree with -makecents-. It's not a DDO. Maybe a hit on the D of GOD.
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 Posted 07/01/2023  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
Positive case: Both also have a blob inside the left arm of W. A little curve to the bottom of wE. Some blobiness to the top of S in Trust. Those curved tops to G and O to the NE (although that could very well be glare). Also a little something on the left edge and outer belly of 5.

Negative case: no full elf shoe wE, no horns on B,E,R. Those interior edges and outside right edges could be MD. Possibly also MD on the tips of IN. 5 could also be a little push doubling.
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Positive case: Both also have a blob inside the left arm of W. A little curve to the bottom of wE. Some blobiness to the top of S in Trust. Those curved tops to G and O to the NE (although that could very well be glare). Also a little something on the left edge and outer belly of 5.

Negative case: no full elf shoe wE, no horns on B,E,R. Those interior edges and outside right edges could be MD. Possibly also MD on the tips of IN. 5 could also be a little push doubling.
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Brandmeister, you've been trying very hard and that's good but that's a proof DDO and the OP's is a business strike. There is no doubled die here. Keep at it though, you are doing well.

Ok, then there's the knowledge I can extract from this particular coin. How can you tell it's a business strike vs. a circulated proof at this age of coin? It's 66 years old, so what's the clue?

Worth pointing out: I was typing and searching as you reached your conclusion. Just so you don't think I was ignoring you.
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 Posted 07/01/2023  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
MS 67+ business strike. https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...7-1c-rd/2842


PR67 DCAM Proof. https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...c-dcam/93380

The minting process is totally different with special dies for proofs and a double striking process for them also. If you cannot see the difference, I cannot help you.
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 Posted 07/01/2023  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
Well sure, those are top grade coins. I'm talking about impaired proofs that have been circulated. I've found proof nickels while CRH. Obvious because they were newer, but if they had seen use over their lifetimes, and didn't have the S mint mark, I don't know that I could pick them out so easily. From the following older thread, I gather that you can pick out an impaired proof cent by the squared rim and the fields.

http://goccf.com/t/428020
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Worth pointing out: I was typing and searching as you reached your conclusion. Just so you don't think I was ignoring you.
I was having a toddy and then putting my wife to bed and still explained it.

Keep studying.
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 Posted 07/01/2023  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
You're being silly, keep studying, you need more time. There are MANY things that intelligence does not take care of, some things just take time, experience.
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 Posted 07/01/2023  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
I gotta be honest, I'm staring at the post with the side-by-side clean proof, MS uncirculated, impaired proof. If he hadn't spelled out which one was which, and then pulled the good proof, I don't know that I could immediately distinguish the remaining two coins.

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 Posted 07/01/2023  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
Brand, I wish I could help you, but it is apparent that I cannot. I wish you the best.
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 Posted 07/01/2023  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
gros, I hope you got something out of the earlier part of this thread and I apologize for the latter part.
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gros, I hope you got something out of the earlier part of this thread and I apologize for the latter part.


Your explanation was excellent for me. After making the thread, I began to find several coins with the same feature and thought no way is it doubled
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Your explanation was excellent for me. After making the thread, I began to find several coins with the same feature and thought no way is it doubled
When I read your statement, my tiny little brain finally kicked into gear. This is on all 57's, all mints and proofs. Sorry I did not put two and two together sooner, my grey matter is not what it used to be. It is thought by some to be Master Die Doubling.

LINKS https://www.lincolncentforum.com/fo...0s-thru-1979

Notice what I have circled in yellow.


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There is a lot of this master die doubling in 50s and 60s cents.
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