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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but, there is no way these are 64SMS coins. All of the ones minted have been accounted for. If you didn't know the director of the mint in 64, you have no chance of having one. She took possession of them and there are no SMS coins in circulation or in any collection that didn't get them from her.  |
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You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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No false info from me, just the truth SON.
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...is it getting warm in here?
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...is it getting warm in here?  It's gonna get a lot warmer. Apparently this is a topic worth discussing. --------------------- To the claim that all have been accounted for, and that a personal relationship with Eva Adams is required: Quote:
"The most likely explanation so far offered as to their origin is that the coins were *probably* produced for Director Adams" Quote:
"...a total of 9 sets made their way into the market that way. Today, about a dozen Specimen 1964 half dollars are known.." (9 of the 12 known Kennedy halves came from Merkin's collection. This is the only evidence tying Eva Adams into the theory of where *some* of them may have come from.) --------------------- To the theory that there may be business strikes out there: Quote:
From Legend Rare Coin Auctions 9/2/2021
"The obverse details include a small tine off the crossbar of the 4, a feature that has never been observed on any other 1964 half dollar, Mint State or Proof, showing that these dies were used for this small production and *that is it*." Quote:
Stacks Bowers Ratities Night 2019
"These dies appear to have been specially produced just for these coins and *used nowhere else*. Only one confirmed 1964 SMS half dollar lacks the "Dangling 4" marker." Quote:"The 1964 SMS Kennedy half dollar die markers *readily confirm* the identity of known examples" --------------------- To some claims that you can't find them in circulation: Quote:
"In an admittedly rare hypothetical situation where one of these remarkable coins was spent, the defect can be used to confirm the original status of the coin."
-Ron Guth --------------------- To the claim that all have been accounted for (cont.): Quote:
"more are believed to be out there".
-Jaime Hernandez, 2008 Quote:
"More rumors than facts surround this issuance" etc. etc. |
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There is so much more I could allude to, all from credible sources and researchers. Maybe I overlooked something, but I could not find a single authoritative source making a claim as bold as yours was in this thread, Cujohn. Could you do us a favor and tell us where you got it from?
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07/13/2023 2:41 pm
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As I stated there has never been one found in circulation.
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Well, not quite what you stated. Just want to know your source for these particular claims: Quote:
All of the ones minted have been accounted for. If you didn't know the director of the mint in 64, you have no chance of having one. She took possession of them and there are no SMS coins in circulation or in any collection that didn't get them from her. |
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I'm confused I don't understand what this post wants me to see
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Well there is a nice write up on a 1964 SMS half on a Stacks & Bowers site after a sale in 2019 - this coin sold for $159,000 USD. https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...imen-68-PCGSHere in part is the comments posted with this sale (you can read the rest in the link above): Quote:
In among these regular circulation and Proof strikes are roughly a dozen mysterious specimen strike examples for which there is little confirmed information regarding their production. These specimen half dollars have a distinctively bold strike and finish that clearly sets them apart from circulation strikes and Proof coins and even the later regular issue SMS sets from 1965 through 1967. The strike is strong with crisp definition with a squared off wire rim, while the surfaces do not bear the deep mirror-like fields of Proof coins. The fields also show clear evidence of extensive die preparation work for these special strikes, notably some clearly discernible die polishing lines on the reverse connecting the bottom tip of the lower crossbar of the F in OF to the A in AMERICA and another prominent polishing line leading from the tip of the lower crossbar of the F in HALF extending all the way to the rim just near the D in DOLLAR. One of the key diagnostic die markers is on the obverse in the form of the "Dangling 4": a small but clearly defined protrusion/defect hanging from the tip of the right crossbar in the 4 in the date. These dies appear to have been specially produced just for these coins and used nowhere else. Only one confirmed 1964 SMS half dollar lacks the "Dangling 4" marker.
The first of these coins appeared as lot 591 in our (Stack's) June 1991 sale in a coin set that included the cent, nickel, dime, and quarter, all with the same distinctive finish: |
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Quote:Well there is a nice write up on a 1964 SMS half on a Stacks & Bowers site after a sale in 2019 - this coin sold for $159,000 USD. https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...imen-68-PCGSHere in part is the comments posted with this sale (you can read the rest in the link above): Thank you Dearborn. I thought I was going crazy, being the only one referencing the literature  Quote:
I'm confused I don't understand what this post wants me to see Hey EricH, which post do you mean? In full reply mode, you can click the "red arrow" box to reference any post. |
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Send them off to be graded.
You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Send them off to be graded Yes, I'm excited  It will be thousands of dollars to send them with conservation included, so I'm going to sell some of my other pieces to cover the cost first. Actually, might be better to send the photos to a dealer of rare coins and have them take care of the grading procedure, as I'm sure they get a certain degree of privilege from TPGs. With anything, it always takes money to make money. |
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Stephen P - I wanted to let you know that I think your position has been truly fair-minded. Obviously you are excited about your potential find and truth be told, at this point we just don't know. The comments included here are from knowledgeable collectors who freely share their expertise. They are not meaning to dampen your excitement but are merely sharing the knowledge they have accumulated over many years in the hobby. That is not to say that any one of us knows everything. I think you'll find that if this story has a happy ending and your find turns out to be rare and valuable, everyone on this forum will celebrate along with you. We can't wait to hear "the rest of the story."
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Just noticed this thread. Just wowed, cannot wait to see the results.
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