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Lincoln Proof - Grading Question

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 Posted 08/16/2023  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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I was considering getting it restored by the TPG and then I learned that copper coins don't normally do well being restored.


I would use NCS and see what they can do. Don't worry, if they don't think they can conserve it, they'll leave it alone. I've seen them perform some magic on copper. GOOD LUCK!
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 Posted 08/16/2023  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
you can try the following. the key to photos of these is too watch your lighting as glare can be the problem is obscuring the surfaces. the coin does appear to have the highly polished surfaces of a proof.

see if this helps

1. turn off flash
2. place coin on flat surface with indirect natural light. maybe a window sill in a cloudy day. Use a black or white background to avoid any reflective color. you might even prop it up just a tad for a very slight angle to redirect the glare.
3. move phone about 3in from coin
4. zoom in using your fingers until the coin comes into focus and fills the cameras view finder. if your phone has a portrait selection use that and then press and hold on the coin in the view finder to AF lock it
5. hold phone steady. if you cant then place something on either side of the coin (like books) at that distance and lay phone between them. this will hold it steady and allow you to zoom and take the photo without any blurring
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Thank you panzaldi for the helpful hints. I followed most the steps you outlined including titling the camera. I think it provided more depth to the photos. I hope these more readily show the requested details.
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 Posted 08/16/2023  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
photos are way better. I'm not a proof expert but it sure looks like one. I cant see anything to indicate that coin was polished to get that sheen.

if its confirmed then I would put it in the PF62 range. the satin proof for this year is the more rare bird. to me it would fall into the brilliant category which is valued a good less. if it came back at 63 the value jumps. based on the photos the color looks more BN than RB which also affects value.

one thing to consider hear for slabbing it is that if you dont have a subscription to PCGS (if thats where you intend to go) the minimum is $69 plus the grading charge. I think its like $22 then shipping and insurance both ways. if the coin grades at PF62 you are chewing up a considerable amount of the coins value. if you are planning on selling it. I would consider NGC or sell it raw
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 Posted 08/16/2023  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
What are you planning on doing with it? It's important to know so we can give better recommendations. I think the coin is just fine as it is, no conservation is needed. It looks exactly how one of these should look.
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It's actually part of a set that together have been in the same holder since 1936. Sequential certification numbers are therefore essential. I didn't want to send them all in to have this one held back for some unforeseen reason. I was advised that the real value is keeping this particular set together.

BTW, thanks jbuck for the welcome.
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Sequential certification numbers are therefore essential. I didn't want to send them all in to have this one held back for some unforeseen reason. I was advised that the real value is keeping this particular set together.


So, you have a complete 1936 proof set? I don't think it's possible to have sequential cert numbers, first I've heard of it actually.

Typically, the individual values are greater than the whole. I also don't think a collector buying "the set" will care about sequential number. JMHO
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I received an email from PCGS that if you list coins in order on their application, they will receive sequential certification numbers. I plan not to submit any other coins on the application.

I tend to agree that individual values would probably total greater than the whole. That's why I was initially considering restoration for this and a few of the other coins in the set. However, professional feedback I received recently thought it might be more appropriate to keep this set together.
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I don't think it's possible to have sequential cert numbers, first I've heard of it actually.
The dollar and medal from my PCGS graded 2015 Eisenhower C&C have sequential numbers. My PCGS graded 1976-D Variety 1 and 2 Ikes also have sequential numbers.
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Hello again. It has been a couple of months since I posted this topic. Since many of you were so kind to offer your opinion as to whether the "patina" on the reverse would keep this coin from being graded, I figured I would show you the results. Hopefully, you will find it interesting and possibly helpful.
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Nice outcome, yes!
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Thanks. The coin looks much better in one's hand than its close up photos would lead you to believe. It still has a lot of its red luster. However, it's understandable why it was deemed RB given the effect of it being within a cardboard holder for so long.
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