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Does the diameter match that of a small cent? Place a Lincoln Cent or something of the same size on the reverse of the Half Cent to measure. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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jacrispies: No, I know what you're thinking... the coin is flat as a board and the area on the reverse between the bottom rim and the devices is as struck. Here's a pic of the reverse (Courtesy of Stack's) of one of the many LDS 1809 C-3 Half Cents, with a misaligned reverse die  Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
10/25/2023 10:45 am
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The opposite obverse side is worn down flat with no detail, while the lower obverse still holds the basic outline of Miss Liberty. I think it is damage and the coin worn or was sanded flat. There is no way it came from the mint like that. It is most certainly not a Cud. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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I'd have to respectfully disagree; I think it was a pocket-piece and actually, the rim is one big Retained Cud. Metal displacement explains the weak upper obverse (it wasn't "sanded"). Same phenomena here:  Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
10/25/2023 2:18 pm
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A Retained Cud can retain lettering (See the U of UNIT... on mine)  |
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Think about it... if it were "sanded" that would materially affect the copper at the sanding site, and it would never uniformly retone, unless that was your mission in life. There is no evidence of "sanding"
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My first thought was that it was used to prop up one leg of a heavy table. I'm having trouble envisioning anything at the mint causing this. What does the 1802 JR-4 Draped Bust Dime have to do with it?
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The 1802 dime has a huge Retained Cud, with lettering. Same as mine. If it were a "a table or chair leg stop", the obverse would be very damaged. It isn't. |
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That is not what a Cud looks like. Your coin has a clear deep valley just before your "cud." If you disagree, can you take photos of the coin at a 45 degree or greater angle? It is difficult to see relief. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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I refer to the 6th post above this one-the Large Cent reverse. It's the "same thing". Pay attention to the CA "under" the retained (that's important) cud-as it should be. My coin has a Retained Cud, not a full Cud. They are very different animals Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
10/25/2023 6:02 pm
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The Cohen book does not have any Cuds listed for any of the reverse dies in 1809. Until more photos are posted, there is nothing else to debate. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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The Cohen book is like an anachronism (better to look for die states as published by Ron Manley); and yes it is totally Unknown in this die state
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This should help... you can see that the broken die travels under the U of UNITED. The left stand is not severed due to damage. This is a Retained Cud: the piece of the die had broken but not yet broken-off. It was still attached to the die at RI and UN, but had separated and sunken appreciably between.   Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
10/26/2023 2:03 pm
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Take photos at a greater angle, primarily displaying the bend and angle of the item in question. Take an angular photo of the obverse as well.
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