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@slider23 ... thanks for you observations ... I'm not knowledgeable enough to make a determination ... do you have an opinion on the fairly consistent shadowing (?from cleaning?) around the perimeter of stars, as well as the fairly consistent shadowing around Liberty ? ... Is this normal residue from a harsh cleaning? ... thanks for any info ...  |
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How did you "pull the trigger" on this item if it has no bids and 7 days left?
I do not see anything on this example that confirms that it is counterfeit. I would purchase the item and test the coin at home because the seller offers free returns.
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@jacrispies ..."How did you "pull the trigger" on this item if it has no bids and 7 days left?..." I said that I was tempted to, not that I had ... hope that answers your question ... ...I also stated that I was suspect, but did not know for certain ... ...As I am learning here, I ask for good advise ... thank you for your opinion, but please read before you accuse... |
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The skin and color on the coin does not appear natural, so my thought was dipped or cleaned. The denticles look correct for a genuine example, the stars look correct and the eagle's neck feathers look correct. The wear is consistent on both sides for a VF example. Here is the S mint mark on the OP and date that I posted. It does not appear to be a match die pair. Note the top serif of the N in photo. Some genuine examples have the same serif on the N as the OP. Known Genuine on Right.  |
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..thank you for your analysis ... if genuine, not a bad price ... I couldn't tell if the coin had been cleaned or given the appearance (if fake) of having been cleaned ... my paranoia on these matters has increased since lately seeing so many convincing fakes ... thanks for your help ...
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01/23/2024 4:18 pm
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Has that classic Chinese fake look. If it is too good to be true, it is. Avoid this one!
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@pusman08 ... looks that way to me, also, that's why I posted, I'm gonna pass on this one, boy, the floor's really split on this ...
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The coin is genuine for die pair as follows: 17 - I60/I71: High Date / Missing Serif L Obv - Date is set high. Rev - Large S, Missing lower left serif of second L/DOLLAR.    |
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@slider23 ... great, detailed analysis, & you make the strongest case for genuine. I could find no faults in the basic features (denticles, feathers, etc.) , other than the placement of the date. different die pairs would certainly explain that. I didn't like the overall surface appearance. It looks very close to some Asian counterfeits currently available, but, I also thought maybe a result of dipping &/or cleaning. Still gonna pass on this one,, holding out for one in better condition. ...Thanks for your astute observations & analysis...  Edited by mrwiskers
01/24/2024 07:10 am
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I agree with the pass as the coin does not have original surfaces. It looks like someone took a Q Tip with a cleaner like MS70 and cleaned around the stars and the rest of the coin. The date and mint mark are spot on for a known genuine die pair. If you look at the magnified ebay listing, you can also see the raised bump on the L in Dollar. On Trade dollars the hardest areas to duplicate are the denticles as most genuine Trade dollars have full denticles. The OP coin has solid denticles. |
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cant comment on counterfeit however if it is genuine I'm in the box that the coin was moderately cleaned. I don't collect these not do I own one but I'm not a fan of chop marks. I know there are collectors that do. I guess my take is if you are buying a Trade dollar for a type set i'd want the best available straight graded coin I could find since I'm only buying one. |
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100% cleaned. No reason to purchase this coin; wait for a nicer example.
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@panzaldi ..."I'm not a fan of chop marks" ... ...I've argued that chopmarks affect the 'grade' of a coin, as I had seen a chopped Trade dollar with a PCGS grade of MS 61 (the specific dollar shown below) ... (how in the heck?...the MINT didn't chop that dollar...!)) ..that being said, Trade dollars were made to compete (primarily) in the Asian market with Spanish 8 reales, which were the world-wide currency of choice. Chopped dollars have a historical significance, as the chops are evidence of their travels in commerce ... hence my interest ...  Edited by mrwiskers
01/25/2024 06:40 am
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from what I've seen NGC details chopped coins. PCGS gives them a pass in some cases. not sure what their criteria is for that Quote:
...I've argued that chopmarks affect the 'grade' of a coin, a i totally agree and not only that imo its PMD. from a historical standpoint I can see why some folks would acquire one. there are decent looking ones and there are ugly ones |
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