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Valued Member
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I'd call it either MS-64+ or MS-65 and there is no need to apologize for keeping it the hardcase as it is your coin . Personally, I like the hardcase along with the sticker as that adds history to it. If possible the quality of the Reverse photo is the kind we'll want to see for the future photos as there is little to no distortion/tomfoolery that can hides details.  Edited by johnhenry9009
03/02/2024 8:08 pm
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New Member
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I appreciate both your thoughts, and - with all respect - I've seen Coinfrog's comments in other threads and was anticipating the "bad photos" comment - though I appreciate the welcome ;).
I'll work at getting better at this as I figure out how to get hi-res images at under 300kb. I was also using natural light over the camera flash but suspect there's a better option here. Please bear with me... and suggestions are always welcome (though there's a thread I'm reading through for tips).
As for the grade, I think the MS65 is fair but this was one I thought *might* be a MS66 as there were so few blemishes/scratches and luster looked good.
Regardless, I appreciate the sanity check and welcome any other thoughts or insights.
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Bedrock of the Community
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N/S and others - To start, these pics are incomplete, with hardly 3/4 of the obverse showing. Full pics are needed for grading. Worse, the pics are clearly out of focus, but even so, large marks can be seen in the left obverse field. To suggest this is a 65 coin with such poor images is just illogical. Not berating you N/S, just suggesting there's little evidence to supprt your grade..  Edited by Coinfrog
03/02/2024 8:35 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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think the MS65 is fair but this was one I thought *might* be a MS66 Your probably right with it being a 66 as you have the coin in hand and we only have photos. I do apologize if if you already know but you can use the PCGS Photograde and compare your coin to theirs and what they would consider the grade to be. Here's a link to it https://www.pcgs.com/photograde |
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Bedrock of the Community
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@coinfrog, I think every collector and numismatist has experienced being talked down to by a dealer who thought they knew to much to merit a respectful conversation. I think it's ok to believe that you know more than someone else as it can be true. Expressing that as a head banging against the wall hearing someone else's opinion is openly expressing disdain for someone else's opinion. It is offensive, unkind and something that I hope this forum doesn't devolve into. We can just grade coins without showing disdain for other member's images, choices or opinions.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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No need for bickering fellas. I can understand Frogs point. Grading anything from pictures alone on this site is difficult at best and a poor substitute for in hand grading with proper lighting. Pictures often fail to reveal the true cartwheel luster that can only be observed when physically tilting a coin under light. My first impression from the less than optimal pictures was that the luster seems quite subdued, perhaps even not natural. Rendering an opinion of grade using these pics doesn't seem prudent in my opinion. I believe that was all the Frog was trying to suggest.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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You protest too much, N/S. I am simply saying that a sound grade cannot be determined from incomplete and soft images of both sides. Do you disagree?
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03/02/2024 9:32 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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My first impression from the less than optimal pictures was that the luster seems quite subdued, perhaps even not natural. I do agree with the fact that the luster is subdued but it does look about as "natural" as one can really get with yellowish lighting as I used to use a lighting system that had the same results as the OPs. Once we are able to get clearer photos with a soft white light we may be able to give a half informed opinion.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The label says, "CH BU". To me that means Choice Brilliant Uncirculated. That historically meant MS63 or 64. Someone also wrote, "65". Which would translate to "GEM BU" in the same parlance.
From what I can see the "CH BU" or MS63 minimum sounds reasonable. Beyond that I'd want full images of both surfaces outside the holder. It might well be 65, or better, quality. Just can't tell for sure.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Full images of the obverse and reverse would help.
Errers and Varietys.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think the 65 on the label is a price. Their other coin has 125 in the same place on the label, which can't be a grade. Reverse appears to be really nice on this coin. Obverse could be as nice but pic needs better focus without the label in the way. Those look like light rubs in the fields. Lots of MS65 seem to have it, like this one https://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dol...bnail-071515 so it depends on how it looks in hand. Edited by kbbpll
03/03/2024 01:07 am
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New Member
United States
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Thanks everyone! I appreciate the good conversation and insights and - based on this thread and the other one I posted - I took some of the advice and have redone the photos (even opening the protective case!).
I'll repost both coins and see if the new photos are more helpful.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Luster looks good but that's about all I can get from the photos.
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Bedrock of the Community
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to a degree I have to agree with coinfrog. the photos are less than optimal to call MS65 or better coin. we have labels hiding parts of both sides. the photos are little out of focus. its hard enough grading coins especially MS with glare, shadows, orientation issues and in a holder
blackjak I suggest removing any coins from the holder. use indirect light. no overhead light.
the photos are showing surfaces that a more dull than you would normally see on an MS mid grade or higher coin. the right rev field next to the wing appears discolored or missing luster however this could be a reflection in the photo. another reason to remove it from the holder. its fairly easy with these to pop them open. without better photos the coin looks like it was dipped at one point in its life or even a light polishing maybe with a jewelers rag
blackjak we would be glad to reassess the coin if you can give a little better shots of it.
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03/03/2024 3:56 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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My thoughts exactly. I do not believe it is possible to grade a coin without 100% full pics of both sides, and even then only with sharp definition. Suggestions to the contrary are illogical.  Edited by Coinfrog
03/03/2024 5:10 pm
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