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1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent For Grading

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 Posted 04/17/2024  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
I'd like it as a VF20 if buying. Technically it is a VF+.
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 Posted 04/17/2024  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
I'll say VF at best.
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 Posted 04/17/2024  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
The obverse and reverse wear are inconsistent, very odd. Also, the color is off, it could have been recolored. I can't authenticate without close-ups of the MM but it looks OK.

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 Posted 04/17/2024  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
to the CCF

You have indeed brought a cherished coin to start with.

Our experts have given you some solid input.
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 Posted 04/17/2024  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marv65 to your friends list
Net 30 - But wondering if previously cleaned with some kind of "coating" applied that has been wearing off? And really VF20?
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 Posted 04/18/2024  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add divesww to your friends list
Thanks for all of your expert analysis. Much appreciated.
I actually got the coin in and took some of my own pics so you can better assess the color and mint. I don't think that I can take it out of the holder or I'll void my return option. I don't know whether to make a new post for this but I'll try it here first.


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 Posted 04/19/2024  01:40 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Can you post a close up of the B in VDB?
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 Posted 04/19/2024  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add divesww to your friends list
Close up pics of VDB, B, and MM.

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on your new photo of the obv is that a stain at K8 and K12? I don't see them on the original photo.

i still say it nets VF30 and imo is legit die#1. I also think its re-colored. if it is it definitely would details

I'm assuming that the white line in front of the profile is on the holder
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 Posted 04/19/2024  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add divesww to your friends list
You are correct about the white line being a scratch on ymthe holder. It is quite poor. I don't see any stains. Could it be that you are referring to the shadows created by the holder fingers at 8 and 12 o'clock?
Are you certain of the recoloring? If so, what detail shows it? Is there any way to remove it? Is acetone an option or should I just return it and search for a noncolored one? Thanks so much. This is by far my most expensive purchase and I want to be able to enjoy it.
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 Posted 04/19/2024  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
MM indicates an authentic SVDB! CONGRATS! Also, it doesn't look recolored in the new pictures.
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i think what looks like a stain is just shadow from the holder. you have to remember we are looking at a coin via photos. its extremely difficult to capture what any coin looks like in hand as we can't rotate is proper lighting. the best we can do is, based on knowledge base, apply what we have seen before.

i don't believe in professionally grading coins unless its either a rare coin that needs authentication and preservation or a higher value coin where it makes sense to spend that kind of money. in this case, this is one coin that one should consider encapsulating

this is a tough call for a higher end coin to attribute re-coloring without seeing the actual coin. when I look at the first photos especially the obv the color is so even across the surfaces even the rims. typically what you will see with a circulated coin is that there will be areas of toning, especially the high points, where the toning would be more dull or worn down. if you look close at the reverse above the ONE in the field, you will see a lot of small scratches. in fact there are quite a few of them on the rev fields. was someone attempting to cover these? the second set of photos are a little different so that throws a monkey wrench into the equation.

i wish paralyse would chime in on it. he's pretty good at reading such things. if feel better about the second set of photos but to get that kind of consistency of color across the surfaces is not something I would think is normal . the only way to be 100% certain is to send it in.

the issue with assigning a price to the coin is the disparity of wear/strike comparing both sides and how a TPG will assess that. we have grades here from VF20 to VF35. if can't see the coin ever coming back as VF20 so VF30 or 35 is the likely grade.

value wise, because its such a sought after coin, the difference in price even between VF25 and VF35 is between $1000 and $1100. with a details designation your still looking at an $850 coin imo
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 Posted 04/19/2024  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Good analysis. Bottom line, still an unevenly-worn example with questionable coloring. Not a good buy for a serious collector.
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