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1860 1 1/2 Pence DD Or Repunched?

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 Posted 05/03/2009  03:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
Well, once I took pictures and enlarged the coin to 100 times it's size. it looks different to me now. All the surface marks were almost invisible even under magnification, then when I Put magnifier and camera zoom to max together I got the pictures below. I never even noticed the doubling with it in hand. Just so everyone knows what size we are talking about here I am also posting a picture that shows the coins size compared to a regular canadian dime. It's like a baby coin!

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im going to try to get some images of the doubling. It is quite impressive! Now if my hands will just hold steady
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05/03/2009 04:54 am
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 Posted 05/03/2009  04:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
here are the images I was able to get of the doubling. I find it soooo interesting. sorry for the pics that came out yellow.... my camera is weird lately. You drop a camera one time less than 3 feet and look what happens

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05/03/2009 05:27 am
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 Posted 05/03/2009  05:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuickSilver to your friends list
Those are some amazing close up pics. You have extremely steady hands malissadawn!

The eight doesn't look doubled to me, it looks like it has been over struck. But I don't know much about these things.

I like this little coin a lot.
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 Posted 05/03/2009  05:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
Thanks Quicksilver!! I really like it too! I think a lot of the close up shows things struck twice. But I dont know the proper terminology for it.
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 Posted 05/03/2009  07:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DL20K to your friends list
Repunched date?
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 Posted 05/03/2009  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Irishraider to your friends list
malissadawn, this is from the 2007 Rotographic.


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These tiny coins were issued for use in some colonies, and were never legal tender in the UK. They are included here because, like the fractional farthings, they are at the very least relatives of the normal British Coinage, and they do bear the latin word 'Brittanniar' (Britain).


Very nice doubling on that coin. Die crack at the 3 o'clock it looks. Can't tell if it's a repunched date or a repunched die. It's almost as if they used a die with a smaller 8 and then didn't like it so they punched it again with a die with a larger 8? Nothing in the Rotographic about it unfortunately. It's a really nice coin.

.925 fine Silver 12mm Weight 0.7g

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05/03/2009 09:24 am
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 Posted 05/03/2009  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list

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this is from the 2007 Rotographic.


Im sorry but I am unfamiliar with that term. Is that a book? Are there any books or sites I can visit for more information about this type of coin? Maybe even somewhere with mintage estimates?
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 Posted 05/03/2009  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Irishraider to your friends list
malissa, yep, it's a book specifically geared toward British coins. Here is the website I go to when I need most things British as far as coins go. It's a great site.

http://www.predecimal.com/

Rotographic is kind of like the Red Book for american coins. Mine is a 2007 and they have the 2009 out now but I just don't have any way to get one since my paypal account is kind of goobered due to some bank account problems.

This is a link to the book itself.

http://www.predecimal.com/collector...-p-7872.html

Maybe the guys in the forum there might be able to shed more light on the punching of the date.



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05/03/2009 1:43 pm
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 Posted 05/03/2009  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
How interesting...there's a lot going on this coin!
While I don't know enough about UK coins to say for sure, it looks like the date was repunched to me.
I say that because the date is often added to dies, and when a date is corrected by a second repunching, the die is often cleaned up by polishing away the old date. This is why repunched dates often appear protected inside the digits. I see this on US and Europe coins from this period.
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 Posted 05/04/2009  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
Because I do not kow what type of die manufacture they went through at that time in the British Mint, I cannot say for sure what kind of doubling shows on the letters on the obverse of this coin. It does appear to be hub doubling, but some of the letters are not doubled at all, which is confusing to me and my understanding of minting coins.

The date on the other side is definitely repunched - looks like large numerals over small numerals, but again this is a guess based on all the coins I've seen in the past, not with any knowledge of 19th century British coinage. I hope this helps at least a little.
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 Posted 05/04/2009  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
thanks for the opinions and interest everyone! I really like this coin a little more each time I come back in and look at the pictures. I only wish my hands could be just a bit more steady for the pictures. It may be time for me to find some type of microscope that takes pictures or something if I am going to keep buying these kinds of things. :)

thanks again
malissa
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 Posted 05/04/2009  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
You might also find this interesting. I have an 1848 Half-Farthing with a repunching in the "N" of Regina, the E/N variety.
After studying a few different coins of this year, I concluded that each letter was punched individually--they're at different angles and positions by die pair. I'm not sure the same holds true for your coin, but it might explain things.

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 Posted 05/04/2009  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
hmmmm that one is interesting too. I didnt realize they do one letter at a time. that must have been very time consuming!

I have an 18? third or quarter farthing (i cant remember which it is) I'm going to find it now and see if the lettering is done that way as well.
How did you get that close to the letter without all the blurring in your pic like I have?
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 Posted 05/04/2009  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuickSilver to your friends list
You have done a good job if the camera was handheld!

It looks as though at least some of your blurring is a depth of field issue. This is due to a large aperture.

The only ways to get a greater depth of field (ie distance in focus at the same time) are to make your aperture smaller. But, this of course then brings in other issues as you will need more light, which generally means a longer exposure. Which in turn, potentially means more time for movement and therefore more blurring of a different sort. Or to move farther away, which is defeating the object slightly.

You really need a rig to hold the camera steady. Then use a self timer to set off the exposure, so there is less movement as you are not squeezing the shutter release.
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 Posted 05/04/2009  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
hmmm, a lot of that went right over my head quicksilver. lol The camera for my shots was handheld. in one hand actually and I hold the magnifying glass over the lens with my other hand. then I hold my breath and try not to let me heart beat so it wont cause any shaking on the camera and then click. the way I am doing I have to take the same shot a whole bunch of times just to be sure and then I select the best one of the bunch to post.

I guess its obvious that isn't the easiest way.
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