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1817/3 Capped Bust Half Dollar O-101

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 Posted 01/03/2025  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I'll say VF-20, possibly 25, very attractive.
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 Posted 01/03/2025  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
VF35 and looks very original.
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 Posted 01/03/2025  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
I'll say VF.
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 Posted 01/03/2025  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
VF-30 and superb for the variety.
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 Posted 01/03/2025  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ploopy to your friends list
VF details, cleaned. Need better pics to confirm the surfaces.
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 Posted 01/04/2025  12:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TinyRetreat to your friends list
VF 20-25 IMO ... once again, LOVE these halves
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 Posted 01/05/2025  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
VF-20 straight grade.
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 Posted 01/05/2025  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
VF30 adjusting for strike
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 Posted 01/06/2025  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adam126402 to your friends list
Thank you for the feedback, everyone. I figured this was in the VF25-35 range. I still struggle at times with differentiating between strike weakness versus wear.

I do wonder if this was soaked in acetone in the past due to the apparent minimal amount of organics on the surfaces and in the nooks and crannies of the devices.

In hand, the coin looks exactly like the first pictures I posted. Here are a few more pics with heavy lighting.

While I think it would straight grade, I have no plans to submit it. I like 'em raw!

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 Posted 01/17/2025  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ploopy to your friends list
Surfaces look okay I guess so i'll change my grade to VF25
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 Posted 01/22/2025  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
I'd venture VF-30. Surfaces look good to me and eye appeal is likewise very nice.

Love this issue because of the awesome overdate. Someone posted another example a few months back that had damage or strike defect which partially obscured the overdate feature. Adam126402's coin really shows what the date should look like. Congrats on a fine addition to your raw collection!
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 Posted 01/22/2025  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adam126402 to your friends list
Jaobler, that previous posting was me, also. I actually picked this one up last September. Then a few months later I picked up the other damaged one that I returned. When I bought the other example, I figured I'd probably end up returning it but really wanted to see it in person just in case the overdate presented better in person than what I saw in the seller pics.

And thanks for the feedback, Jaobler. Same to you Ploopy, glad you stopped back to have a second look since you were leaning towards it being a details coin!


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 Posted 01/22/2025  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikev50 to your friends list
very nice--
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 Posted 01/23/2025  01:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TinyRetreat to your friends list
VF25 Beauty !
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 Posted 01/24/2025  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list

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I still struggle at times with differentiating between strike weakness versus wear.


the TPG's do as well. look at the star definition, date, denticles and clasp on the obverse. these are the most recessed devices on the die. on the reverse the lettering and shield are. these are the areas that are going to show the wear first. the other areas, being raised on the die, are going to be strike related as it takes more pressure to bring out more details

I've spent several years looking at these and looking at slabbed grades to see how they interpret it. they are all over the place depending on who is looking at it.

looking at yours, I had the wear on those high points in the VF35 range. the strike, like the entire profile being flat I would deduct for from 5 to 10 points. in this case I dropped my grade 5 points to VF30.

is this the approach you should take? I don't know but this is how I approach them

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