Found An 1864 Indian Head Cent L On The Ribbon Cameo Uncirculated

I don't think you understand the most basic problem with your coin. All 1864 Proofs have a shallow N reverse, the originals AND the restrikes. The restrikes are easily identified by a small die line under the ear on the obverse. Something your coin is missing.

If you are certain with what you have, then have them graded as they are very valuable. I advise you not to do it as it is a waste of money, as your coin was minted in china sometime around 2025.

Also.....For you to say we are "jumping to conclusions without knowing our stuff is offensive" is quite offensive. I know my stuff when it comes to Indian Head cents. I have been an underbidder on multiple 1864L proof Indian Head cents and rest assured, I have done more research on these than you, guaranteed. I do own three 1863 with L proofs (graded and certified) in Bronze, Copper-Nickel and Aluminum. These were struck the same period as the 1864 L restrikes.

Your coin does not match any diagnostics of authentic 1864L proofs. I suggest you purchase Rick Snows attribution guide where he details all three die pairings with many images.

These do not show up in rolls, I don't care how old the roll is.

Can I take a guess that you bought this roll off of ebay, or FB marketplace where the seller told you it was from the 40s or 50s?

Sounds good. I do wish you luck. Die states don't change the Shallow N to a Bold N in the reverse. That was a difference in the hub used to create the die. I'm sure you knew that already though as you did your research.

If you send him these pics, he will save you the cost of sending it in. Rick@indiancent.com.

1 look counterfeit.

I don't think that those date number punches were ever used by The U.S. Mint

OP, you are also confusing the proof coinage with the subsequent usage of the die for business strikes. PCGS' estimated survival of business strikes is 3,000.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin...ectionRarity

It can be difficult to see the L on lower-grade coins, but the rounded bust point (vs. the sharp point of your coin) is also a diagnostic.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin...onze-bn/2076

Read Jaime Hernandez's and Ron Guth's notes about the proof version of this coin and David Hall's notes on the business strikes on the above-referenced pages.

I dont think this guy is a counterfeiter, but after all of his "research" claims, he still doesn't know the basics for looking at identifiable diagnostics of these coins.

When he mentioned that there are die states and "Doubling" that make for variants on the 64L proof, he lost all credibility that he knows what he is talking about. These are famous coins, there is tons of information on them online.