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Certificates Of Authenticity For Canceled Dies

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 Posted 10/21/2025  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
Absolutely fascinating! Thank you for doing this.

A few of the listings caught my eye.

The 2004 Denver Wisconsin Quarter die was put in service and removed the same date (October 4, 2004), with a "piece out" of the die. The mintage was 69,018. There is a decent chance that was one of the extra leaf quarters. There was an Inspector General's Office (IGO) investigation report on one of the extra leaf quarters issued in 2007, and I think it had a fairly similar estimate of the number struck.

The Philadelphia dime listing for the die in service from September 25 to October 6, 1998 is interesting, It was in service for 11 days and only struck 38,220 dimes and was already "worn"? The Philadelphia quarter die put in service and removed the same date, May 6, 2003, only produced 27,000 quarters and was also "worn"? What exactly did Philadelphia do to those poor dies?
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 Posted 10/21/2025  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list

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Would you like to add another?

Side note, but I'm curious as to what "Piece Out" means for the reason for retirement. I see Piece Out Engraving and Piece Out Border, maybe it's mint terminology for die chips and breaks? Missing piece out of the engraving or border?


THANKS! I will add your information to my database. I am on the lookout for more!

Where I show "Piece Out" it means "Piece Out Engraving," as I indicated at the bottom. I suspect that may refer to a chip, internal die break or some such.

Where the certificate says "Piece Out Border" I indicate that under Retirement Reason. That may mean a Cud.

I have only seen one die where the cancellation did not completely erase all remnants of the damage, and that was a collar clash (see photo). {Posted by CCF member Khromtau) here:
https://goccf.com/t/484554#4372103


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 Posted 10/21/2025  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list
fortcollins: THANK YOU! I am keeping notes on comments and observations and will certainly keep yours! You made some connections I had not made!



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 Posted 10/22/2025  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list
YouTube channel The Coin Box did a six part video series of US Mint canceled dies, here's the general overview one. His other canceled die videos are more specific to certain years with more info. I have two Olympic canceled dies with most of the design visible.

Some of the dies have COAs from the mint, some don't.

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 Posted 10/22/2025  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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YouTube channel The Coin Box did a six part video series of US Mint canceled dies, here's the general overview one...
That was an interesting watch. Thank you for sharing.
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 Posted 10/22/2025  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list

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I have two Olympic canceled dies with most of the design visible.


Thanks for responding. I think the Olympic dies were the only dies sold by the mint in this program where the die face was not completely obliterated.

The video is good! Thanks for that!

If you have the certificates for your dies, I would be pleased to add them to my database. If you are interested and willing, send me images of the certificates or post them in this thread.

If the dies show evidence of the reason for retirement (I doubt that they do, since the Olympic Dies were supposedly coated with Chromium after retirement and before distribution) I would be interested in that photo also.
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 Posted 10/23/2025  06:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list
Here are my two Olympic dies, one has the cap missing. The third one with Olympic flame is not mine, it's for sale on ebay, $729 I think which is too high in my opinion. All three were retired due to Starburst, small imperfections in the field causing light spots on the coins when struck. I don't know if the mint still calls them Starburst or not. If you want to take the time to look there's canceled dies on ebay, some show the COA, some don't. I've seen a few Olympic dies for sale but the COA was lost, I wouldn't want one without the COA.

On bottom is a screenshot of The Coin Box video showing the populations of Olympic dies the mint sold. The flame dies are the most common, 632, but still scarce compared to the thousands of other dies sold.

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Here are my two Olympic dies, one has the cap missing.
Very nice!
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Here are my two Olympic dies, one has the cap missing. The third one with Olympic flame is not mine, it's for sale on ebay, $729 I think which is too high in my opinion. All three were retired due to Starburst, small imperfections in the field causing light spots on the coins when struck. I don't know if the mint still calls them Starburst or not. If you want to take the time to look there's canceled dies on ebay, some show the COA, some don't. I've seen a few Olympic dies for sale but the COA was lost, I wouldn't want one without the COA.


THANK YOU! I will add this information to my database! I am monitoring ebay daily for Dies with COAs posted for sale and have made numerous additions from that source.

I do notice one characteristic of the Olympic Die COAs is that they all show an extremely small number of strikes! I am not sure what to make of that! It likely has to do with being Proof dies, but I have no other proof die records, so far, for comparison that are not Olympic!

I had an earlier post that prompted this one which includes a brief mention of "Starburst" - for that post see this link:
https://goccf.com/t/484554

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 Posted 10/23/2025  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
This is fascinating information Pete2226. I appreciate you pulling it together.
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 Posted 10/23/2025  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list

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This is fascinating information Pete2226. I appreciate you pulling it together.


THANK YOU!


I am continuing to add information as I find additional Certificates and plan to post updates in the future. I have posted this information in several venues and find some folks stepping forward (as some have in this thread!) and volunteering copies of their certificates for addition.

I also have copies of almost every certificate listed in the spreadsheet, along with a few photos of dies in those cases where there is an unusual feature - especially any evidence of the damage (which is rare).
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 Posted 10/23/2025  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list
I assume the Olympic dies were withdrawn from service soon, not many strikes because quality control was high for them. I suppose the dies may have had a problem but I doubt that. It's interesting to look at the population numbers on NGC and PCGS, seeing what percentage of new coins failed to grade MS70, the newer Morgan and Peace dollars for example. I've sent several of them back to the mint for refund due to scratches, pits.
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 Posted 10/24/2025  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list
@Pete2226 , Thank you for an interesting and informative topic. Enjoyed it.
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@Chase007 You are welcome!

And THANK YOU!
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