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Casual Collector - Inherited Large Collection - Thoughts?

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 Posted Yesterday   4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Great advice given above.

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 Posted Yesterday   8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Hello and welcome.

The first thing you're going to need to get your head around is the different concepts that are out there about exactly what the "value" of a coin is. It all depends on who's asking the question, and why.

First off, you've got the value that the owner of a coin shop is going to give you if you were to just dump the entire collection on their desk and ask them "how much would you give me for this collection, right now". While the crudest definition of a coin's value is "whatever someone is willing to pay for it", this is the quickest and simplest way to convert an estate collection into something more easily divisible and there's some kind of hurry to obtain the funds quickly. However, this "value" is going to be quite low. The dealer, in this circumstance, is not going to look too closely at the collection and will be making lots of worst-case assumptions about the collection, without looking at it too closely. Then, when they have time, they will then go through the collection and pick out the best items from it for individual sale. Coins not deemed worthy of such treatment would be sold in bulk lots. Most dealers will happily give you this kind of valuation for free, even if you make it clear that you're not interested in selling the coins immediately.

Second, there's the "book value". This is the number you would obtain if you were to look the coin up in a coin catalogue or price guide. It would also likely be the price that a dealer would be selling the coin at. This is also the value that an insurance company would want to know for a formal valuation, since that's how much it would cost you to replace it. Coin dealers can do formal valuations, but this takes much longer as they have to spend the time looking at each individual coin and looking it up in the catalogues. You do have to pay the coin dealer an hourly rate for their time if this kind of valuation is being undertaken. Note that a coin dealer will not then accept that valuation as a sale price for the collection. But you can find out the book value of your slabbed coins fairly easily, as the slabbing companies maintain price guides for the coins in their slabs.

Finally, there's the actual value someone will give you for the coins. Unfortunately, this number is unknown and unknowable until someone actually gives you the money. Ideally, you want that number to be as close to that high number from the second definition as possible, but realistically it should be somewhere between those two values. Selling coins on some place like ebay is an option many choose to try to attain higher prices, but ebay has it's own risks and issues (shipping and packaging, "difficult" buyers, being mistrusted as a "new seller", etc). I'd only recommend ebay if you're already an enthusiastic eBayer. For larger collections, especially in the larger cities, dedicated coin auction houses are a good way of getting better value; the drawback there is having to wait until the company is running their next auction. Coin club auctions have also been mentioned by others above as a good option for both selling coins and for learning about coins generally.

My suggestion, given your circumstances: take the collection - in its entirely - to a couple of coin dealers (not jewellers or those "we buy gold" booths, unless there are literally no coin dealers within easy driving distance) and ask them for that definition 1 valuation of the entire collection. They will need to see the actual coins, and not just the list (though the list may be helpful too). Maybe talk through the list of dealers you plan on asking, before you go, so there's transparency with the family there. Get a couple of valuations, and choose the highest. This gives you a number for the estate to consider, as that component of the whole estate. I'm assuming for now that your dad's estate includes other assets other than the coin collection (eg house, car, cash in the bank, etc). This way, the entire estate can be partitioned fairly among the heirs, and you can ask to take all or part of "your share" of the estate as the collection, rather than as cash.

It is "fair" because the valuation you've used is a genuine valuation from a knowledgeable independent third party (not some number you've concocted yourself, or that some random people on the Internet gave you) and you would be essentially gambling that maybe you might get a higher value for some of the items at a later date. Who knows what coin prices are going to do in the future, and you might decide not to sell after all. If, at some point in the future you do happen to sell some or all of the collection and you realise with surprise that someone is prepared to pay you much much more than your estate valuation had allowed for, then you can always voluntarily choose to make a further split of the profits to maintain family harmony - and to remember again your dad who left you that legacy.

I'm sure your dad would have been pleased as punch that at least one of his kids was actually interested in maybe keeping all or part of the collection and becoming a collector themselves. Coin collecting is not a hereditary disease and can be a somewhat lonely hobby, and sadly many coin collectors in your dad's situation find themselves with maybe a dozen or so kids and grandkids, but none of them share their passion or want anything to do with collecting coins.
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 Posted Yesterday   8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list
If you were in my city, I would tell you to go to my LCS and ask them for an offer. They itemize each item or group of items, and indicate the offer in writing. This way you get a baseline price if you want to "buy out" your family and keep everything yourself. The LCS understands that you may not be able to accept the offer.

Once you get a firm offer, then you can decide what you can get via alternate sales methods and whether it is worth your trouble.
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 Posted Yesterday   9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WolfStock to your friends list
Thanks for all the advice! Will take some time to parse through and chew and respond. And yeah I'll post some pics.

Definitely not planning to sell at the event - it's mainly to (potentially) get a dollar figure to show the family. I expect it'll be low - much lower that what I could get via other means of sales, and I can then use that to show them that I need to take my time selling (or if I buy them from the rest of the family - why what I'd give them is a good price).

As a primer pic - here's pretty cool commemorative coin that's part of it:

"WIR ALLE AHABEN IHN VERLOREN 22-Nov-1963" means "We all list him 22 Nov 1963"

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It appears to be about 0.1 oz gold.
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 Posted Yesterday   9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
From your first post I understood you might not want to sell the collection or at least not the entire collection because you figured you might get into coin collecting more in the years to come?
If that is the case, why not sell that part of the collection that interests you the least and keep the rest? For example, since there already are several Morgan dollars you could assemble a date set for yourself and sell-off the duplicates and the rest. Then, complete your Morgan dollar date set in the months/years to come.
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 Posted Yesterday   10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WolfStock to your friends list
Yeah indeed I am interested in keeping at least a portion of the collection. I'm not a "quantity" person but prefer to have just a single sample of most coins, at least the numismatic ones. So will be having an email chat with the family about options; with the the ideal proposal being that I use my discretion for each set to either sell somewhere or to buy myself (from the family), but do it slowly over time.

One source of at least some value level is the Yeoman Red Book. I've got a few copies from various years, and just got the 2027 one. I've read that the prices on there tend to be a bit high; probably about in line with what someone would pay for at a shop, but way higher than what one could expect to sell it for.

See my question above about pics - how do people generall post pics in here? It appears you can't drag-and-drop, and it doesn't look like there's an "add pic" option - just the option to link to a pic in some other site. Is that the case?
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 Posted Yesterday   10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WolfStock to your friends list
Here's a question. For the Red Book - how can one find exactly what spot prices the values are based on? (for the coins that have some or most of their value based on the bullion)

So for instance I might figure I could usually sell a given coin at say 10% under the Red Book price. (e.g. 1886 MS63 Morgan is $110 in Red Book, so perhaps could sell for $100) However if the basis for that is say $40 silver spot price - but today's spot is $58 - then I would expect to get about $130 for it instead of $100.

I don't see anywhere in the front of the book where it mentions a spot basis; though I might be missing it.

I see this in an online discussion (can't post a link to that site):

"They say in the 2026 Red Book: Values of common gold coins have been based on a gold bullion price of $2,730 per ounce, and may vary with the prevailing spot price."

So it looks like it's in there somewhere. I don't have the 2026 one though, and I can't find this verbiage in the 2027 one. Anyone know where it might be?

Edit: wait - found it! At the bottom of the intro to the Gold Dollar section, it says it's based on bullion price of $4,308.05 per oz. For silver the spot was $71.37, at the bottom of the Half Dollars section intro.
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For your Kennedy medal, here is a recent sale:
https://www.numisbids.com/sale/10818/lot/?lot=5011

I think this is close to bullion value, but due to the exceptionally high bullion price right now, that's what's happened to many such items.
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The best thing that I can think to do to determine value is take 80% of recent ebay sales. If you were to sell them on ebay, only about 80% of the sale price would actually go to you. I would highly discourage you from selling to a traveling buying event. A local coin shop would be the best if you are wanting to liquidate everything quickly, but in order to get the maximum value in a reasonable amount of time, I would set up listings on ebay at or a few dollars below the lowest price that each coin is currently available for. The best way to determine condition for pricing purposes is to look at the PCGS photograde website linked below.

https://www.pcgs.com/photograde

I have only been on this forum a few months, but I have found that this is definitely the place to come if you want an honest, unbiased opinion that is in your best interest.

I am curious to see more pictures and hear updates, best of luck!
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I would also agree that a bluebook is far more accurate at determining selling value that the RedBook.
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I think this is close to bullion value, but due to the exceptionally high bullion price right now, that's what's happened to many such items.


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