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Wiener Philharmoniker 1.50 Euro

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 Posted 07/30/2009  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list
I know nothing about the European system except back in the 70's and 80's Germany was nice lol
I think that Dave had a few of these and don't see a reason for him to go on the other side of the line. it could be my scale I have two though so will put it on the other one today and see what happens
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 Posted 07/30/2009  1:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list
Also if you need to re-test your scale, a shiny new nickel is exactly 5 grams.
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 Posted 07/30/2009  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list
I just put it on my freshly calibrated Triton 2 and it is now 31.3g so it must be gook
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 Posted 07/30/2009  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add COINAHOLIC to your friends list
From the same source and batch,

Wiener-Philharmoniker-1.50-Euro

31.3g sorry for the wicked reflection
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 Posted 07/30/2009  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list
According to Krause it should be 31.103g. What is the diameter? It should be 37mm.
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 Posted 07/30/2009  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list
huh... what could this mean? Could it be actually struck in a less finess, but in all it's still 1oz of .999 like the Krugerrand?

Well, at least the good thing is that they weren't underweight
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 Posted 07/30/2009  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list
I have 37.25 MM
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 Posted 08/02/2009  05:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrisild to your friends list
Strange. With euro circulation coins the Weight Tolerance for blanks is 3% for a single piece AFAIK, and an average 1% per 100 pieces. But that would not apply to such bullion pieces, I suppose. This is the size and weight that the Silver Phil should have: http://www.austrian-mint.com/silberphil_daten?l=en

Christian
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 Posted 08/02/2009  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list
I just pulled it out put it on the scale and Digital caliper. and now it is a bit different than yesterday lol
here are the numbers I get today after a good nights sleep and wide awake lol
anyway the thickness is 3.17 wight is 31.3 and width is 37.03. I calibrated both tools I used to get these numbers. I looked at it under the microscope at 30X and it looks like it has a copper wash over it. I didn't mess with the obv or rev but did wipe the edge with a cotton gloved hand and it wipes off without any force at all. kind of like a copper colored oil. I want to drill a small spot on the edge but am not going to do that. I trust wd1040 so I am not going to worry about it.
thanks all
Gary
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 Posted 08/02/2009  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list
I promise I didn't do anything! I bought 32, which came in 2 rolls. If these two are overweight, then I guess at least the other 12 also have this problem. I've already sold those, so it'll be pretty hard to track them back. However, I could contact the dealer I bought it from, or order a few more.

Well in any respects, could it be fake?
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 Posted 08/02/2009  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list
I don't have a clue if they could be fake or not. try asking the guy you got the from if there is a tolerance or not. if there is no tolerance then I would say fake but this is the only one I have seen and knowing you I think I can trust you so if it is fake I know you didn't sale them knowing it.
Gary
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 Posted 08/02/2009  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list
huh... I will contact Bullion Direct right now. I'll post the response as soon as I get it.

On the bright side, would these be errors?

k, here's the reply


Quote:
Dear (Me),

Thank you for contacting the Bullion Direct Support Team.


We don't weigh each individual coin. They come to us in unopened, mint sealed crates.

Sincerely,

Bullion Direct Support


So... I don't know what to do now... With the way silver has been rocketing up these 3 days (45c just today!) I'll be happy to make a refund
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08/03/2009 12:57 pm
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 Posted 08/04/2009  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list
here is a interesting story about these 1,5 Euro One ounze austrian silver coins.
when they were issued, the banks issued them at a price of 1,5 Euro.
this caused tons of German "tax investors) (austria is a tax heaven) to buy these coins and bring them LEGALLY and tax free back to germany where they sold them for the silver value and hence made their illegal money legal... commonly called "money Laundering". except this one was legal.
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 Posted 08/05/2009  01:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list
well we call that just another day here lol
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 Posted 08/05/2009  07:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrisild to your friends list

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this caused tons of German "tax investors) (austria is a tax heaven) to buy these coins and bring them LEGALLY and tax free back to germany where they sold them for the silver value and hence made their illegal money legal... commonly called "money Laundering". except this one was legal.


Yes, that story came up, in late June/early July, in "Der Spiegel" for example. And shortly afterwards there were a few other stories about how this was obviously from the Tales & Legends Dept.

Just think for a few seconds. Yes, it is true that you don't have to declare cash with a face value below €10,000 at the external and internal borders of the European Union. So yes, theoretically you could make money from the difference between the face value and the "market value" based on the silver content.

However, if you buy such a coin in Austria, you pay 20 percent VAT on top. If you buy the same coin in Germany, you pay 7 percent only. Guess what happens if you later want to sell them in Germany ...

Another question is, if you want to transport the equivalent of those €10,000 in Silver Phils, you would have to shlep a lot of coins. Sorry, sounds like a good story, but is simply not realistic.

Christian
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08/05/2009 07:53 am
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