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Edited by wheatguy
12/14/2009 11:19 pm
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I revise my grade to VF30. It looks much higher in that slabby.
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Edited by vermontensium
12/14/2009 11:26 pm
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I remember your OP now. This was one that looked like a split grade of obverse - 15 and reverse 30.
Probably could grade VF20 since split grades are rare today. I don't see the damage but it is likely environmental.
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I remember it too now, thanks wheatguy. After seen the second set of pictures...they are better than the first set...it looks like a very nice coin to me.  Don't give up hope! This is one you just have to see in person. There must be something about the luster under the brown because I'm not seeing damage. I also revise my grade because the reverse is so nice on this coin (VF-35). VF-20/25 because the obverse is so weak. I don't even care about the technical lack of cheek and jaw separation so much, I love the reverse! What do you see in hand scotty when you look at the coin in hand? Tilt and rotate the coin. Can you see flat luster, hair lines (with 8-10x), corrosion, deep scratches? Do you have a dealer you can take it to for an examination? If it was my coin, I'd consult a dealer then I'd submit to NGC next to see what they say. Then, lastly, I'd go to ANACS, they will grade it and slab it. Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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If you ever want to sell it you may want to crack the slab and send it in again (maybe to NGC or another TPG), because if the cleaning isn't obvious then there is a chance that it was simply someone's opinion. You may get lucky and get a grade and no cleaning notation. But for now, knowing it is a real one should suffice! |
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But for now, knowing it is a real one should suffice! I agree. It is your coin, enjoy it!  |
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What do you see in hand scotty when you look at the coin in hand? Tilt and rotate the coin. Can you see flat luster, hair lines (with 8-10x), corrosion, deep scratches? Under my magnifying glass, I don't see any corrosion or deep scratches. Tilting it, I do see some "scratches/lines" that run through the forehead...at about 160-170 degrees. All my pics are coming from a 6.0 Sony cybershot, in the ISO mode. I gotta get me a loupe, and start practicing with it. lol (you'd think that a guy that works in the optical-industry would have better equipment to work with eh?)  Knowing that it's genuine is enough for me for now. I'll order a loupe tomorrow...when it comes in, I'll try and get some more pics to share. Thanks again to everyone, for your wisdom and help. Scott |
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Would it even be worth a shot to send it to PCGS again, out of the slab of course? Maybe this time someone else would check it out and possibly grade it. Otherwise I guess send it to other TPG's like other mention. Its worth the money in my opinion. I personally love this coin! |
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I've given that some thought ceaton. I'll add, that this coin did go to PCGS through a local dealer. 2 separate people at the shop verified it's authenticity before I decided to ship it. Both were surprised that it didn't receive a grade. Admitting that I'm somewhat of a skeptic...(coupled with being somewhat of a newbie)...and realizing that this was the very first coin that I've ever sent for grading...let alone, trusted to have someone else send for me... Trust me, I've run the gamut with my doubts and fears. |
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If you don't mind me asking....how much did he charge you to submit it to PCGS? I wouldn't resend to them, I think you're better off trying NGC next.
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I agree with Thad, if you were to resubmit it, at least NGC would assign an actual grade even if they did feel that it was cleaned or whatever. The PCGS "genuine" labels are a joke IMO, nothing but a revenue enhancer for them and it still leaves owner and buyer to argue over grade.
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$60 Thad. I do realize that I probably could have done it myself for less but..."time is money" sometimes eh? *As I type this, I'm currently sorting through $50 of bank-wrapped cents...  and laughing at the whole "time is money" remark... |
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The PCGS "genuine" labels are a joke IMO, nothing but a revenue enhancer for them and it still leaves owner and buyer to argue over grade. Does that imply that NGC's grades are less worthy than what PCGS's non-grades are? I'm not trying to stir the pot...it's an honest question. Is a PCGS "non-grade" more valuable than a "graded" NGC? |
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NGC will assign a "details" grade to a coin along with a notation of the problem. To me, that is much more informative(and more worthy of the money spent) than PCGS simply declaring a coin to be genuine and nothing more. For a long time, PCGS was the only game in town that refused to grade problem coins like it was beneath them or something. Sure, NGC would not slab them as well but at least they had their sister company, NCS, that would do details grading for problem coins. Finally, the "will of the market" has forced PCGS to deal with problem coins but they still half-donkey it  All things considered, if you had two coins identical in all aspects, one in a PCGS genuine slab and the other with an NGC details grade, I see no good reason why the PCGS coin could perceivably have more "value" based on the name of PCGS alone. To me, it is analogous to that disaster of a car from the 1980s, the Cadillac Cimarron- all name and no quality. Edited by biokemist6
12/17/2009 12:29 am
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To me, it is analogous to that disaster of a car from the 1980s, the Cadillac Cimarron- all name and no quality.
HAHAHAHAHAHA....the Cadillac Cavilier! Add leatherette to a Cavilier and VIOLA....a Caddy! LOLOLOLOL |
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