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My Pricing Strategy Is Too Complicated

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 Posted 01/21/2010  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list
I've said it before & I'll say it again......if you calculate the average sold price on ebay you know the average price people are willing to pay for that item in the real world. At that point you have 3 choices; pay the average, pay more, or pay less. Why complicate things with percentages of various price guides?

If you want to guarantee you never overpay you should subscribe to the greysheet & never pay over the bid price. The problem with that is you won't be able to buy many coins unless you have a coin business.
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 Posted 01/21/2010  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snitchard to your friends list
Hello,

OK, I'm still confused a little. When looking at price "guides" would PR65 be a better indicator? Also do I really need to assume that all price guides are high by about 20% or is Numismedia really closer to a coins "true value?" ebay pricing is erratic, I usually do Buy it Now, are auctions a better bet for deals?

Thanks,
Rich
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 Posted 01/21/2010  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Price guides are just that; they are guides. There is no rule that says a coin has to be worth an exact fixed price.

Try not to make it complicated! Just look at the averages/ranges and let that guide you. If you find a coin with exceptional eye appeal -- a coin you must have -- then there is no reason why you should feel bad for paying a little more for what a "guide" says it is worth.

If the coin is one you need, but it just looks "okay" to you, then pay less if able. Do not be afraid to walk away from a sale either.
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 Posted 01/21/2010  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
PR 65 is only a middle ground guide.
Coin collecting is similar to the stock market in some ways, if you are looking into investment for the future. Buy low. Sell high.

And upgrade your collection from low grades to the next one up. Cost averaging is hard when you dealing in numismatic, unless you're in the business. You will and myself included at time get bargains and paid too much for some other.
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 Posted 01/21/2010  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list

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I've said it before & I'll say it again......if you calculate the average sold price on ebay you know the average price people are willing to pay for that item in the real world. At that point you have 3 choices; pay the average, pay more, or pay less. Why complicate things with percentages of various price guides?


Its as simple as that. If you want to know what a coins is worth its what people are paying. Save the money you might be spending on price guides and put it towards purchasing coins
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 Posted 01/21/2010  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add turtleoverhead to your friends list
In all that time you spent by researching the price of one coin
I would be working and making money to buy three coins.

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 Posted 01/21/2010  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snitchard to your friends list
Hello,

Based on everyone's replies here is my new system based on an average.

1986 Statue of Liberty Commemorative Proof Silver Dollar

Coin Values PR68 Price
$22.00
Numismedia PR68 Price
$24.00
ebay AVG. Closed Auction paid price
22.25
Highest I'm willing to pay (AVG of above price guide prices)
$23.00
I actually paid $18.00

1986 American Eagle Proof Silver Dollar

Coin Values PR68 Price
$55.00
Numismedia PR68 Price
$43.00
ebay AVG. Closed Auction paid price
$48.50
Highest I'm willing to pay (AVG of above price guide prices)
$49.00

How's that.....better and less tedious? I'm not even messing with percentages or price guides. I'll use a price guide as a starting point for an idea but that is it.

Finding coins with mint box and COA is hard but doable and that is what I'm after.

Thanks,
Rich
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01/21/2010 6:31 pm
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 Posted 01/21/2010  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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How's that.....better and less tedious? I'm not even messing with percentages or price guides. I'll use a price guide as a starting point for an idea but that is it.
That sounds like a great plan; but most importantly, you will probably be more comfortable with it!
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 Posted 01/22/2010  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
If you want an easy method to use at coin shows, do as I do. I use a two or three year old Red Book. I have a list of coins I either want or could possibly buy. I then make a copy of the pages for those coins. At coin shows when I see a coin I want, I check the price against the copy of thoes pages in my copy of those pages. And then too, I still always ask if that is your best price if I think the one quoted is to high
The reason I do that is the Red Book is always about 20% to 25% over on all prices. Therefore a two or three year old edition is a little more up to date with prices.
At coin shows I attempt to ignor dealers with no prices on coins. Over the years I've found those dealers tend to quote a price based on how you look, not what the coin is worth.
As already noted price guides are only guides anyway. Even the grey sheet is ploy used by dealers to pretend they are giving you the best of the latest price.
I too used to spend time prior to a coins show looking up prices on ebay, the PCGS web site, Numismedia, many other dealers and eventually found a two or three year old Red Book was the same thing.
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 Posted 01/22/2010  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nancyk to your friends list
How do you find the average price of a coin on ebay?
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 Posted 01/24/2010  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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How do you find the average price of a coin on ebay?


Not easy. You would have to spend a lot of time checking out one coin for all the prices. Then too, they would have to be the same grade and the amount being displayed to may create very different prices. Although ebay prices are a good guide to what a coin sells for, that is only if the coins you want are listed there.
If you could find a lot of the exact same coin in the exact same grade there, then you could average out the costs.
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 Posted 01/24/2010  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nicholas to your friends list

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How do you find the average price of a coin on ebay?


If you do any search on ebay you'll have a bunch of options on the left side of the page. One of those options is "completed listings" if you check that box then you can see all of the old listings for the past few days. The prices in green are items that sold, red prices did not sell. You just take the average from that.
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 Posted 01/24/2010  10:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
Most people around here carry a Greysheet in their hand at the coin shows...
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 Posted 01/30/2010  02:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add penny pincher to your friends list
If you want the best price have the different sources you have gathered and bargain with people (coin store, show or even ebay) and see what happens. Like others have said, guides are guides and not set in stone prices, if they were, how come every store does not sell the same coin for the same price?

Most people that sell coins know that they can mark them up a little bit and that gives them a range to bargain with. A GREAT dealer will know that they want you back as a return customer and will sell it for as cheap as possible to you. Look around and see what is out there before you commit to buy something. If you are willing to spend that much time comparing prices then a few extra days looking around won't hurt.
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 Posted 01/30/2010  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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Most people around here carry a Greysheet in their hand at the coin shows...


Wonder where those shows are at? I go to about 2 to 4 coin shows a Month. I would estimate about 1 in a thousand customers have the grey sheet. Most dealers do though. I've wondered around some coin shows for several hours, met people I know, talked to many I didn't know and seldom see a grey sheet in a collectors hands, pockets, etc.
Most usually have a piece of paper with stuff written all over it.
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