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1857 Flying Eagle Cent, DDO. What Snow-#?

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 Posted 02/17/2010  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Hmm...yeah, the wingtip rules out Snow-3.
The wingtip and doubling more closely resembles Snow-4, but I'm uncertain.
I don't have the attribution guide this year--there may be definitive markers to look for.
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 Posted 02/17/2010  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list
Well, you provided good pictures & I'm still not sure. I'm thinking it might be the S15. The picture of the CA & the top of the tail feathers are a very close match. The snow book states that the S15 is very similar to S3 & S4.

One of the markers is thin denticles on the reverse from 2:00 to 6:00. I would think the mark between the head & the front wing would be another marker. Unfortunately the Snow book doesn't have a picture of that area.
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 Posted 02/17/2010  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
This thread got me thinking - I know next to nothing about FE's - so some research was in order.

I found a really nice Snow-4 on Rick's site, and an equally-nice Snow-15 at DLRC. The difference in the wingtip seems fairly striking - Snow-4 has a rebuilt and weaker wingtip, Snow-15 the original - and the coin here closely resembles Snow-4 based on that one feature.
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 Posted 02/17/2010  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list
According to the Snow book the S15 is from the "Missing wing tip hub with the last feather(by OF) finished by hand". Sounds like the same hub used for the S4 with slight modification. I don't know how that might affect things but wanted to throw it out there.

I think it has to be S4 or S15. I"ll defer to anyone with more experience than me, which is probably anyone else posting on this thread.
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 Posted 02/17/2010  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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I"ll defer to anyone with more experience than me, which is probably anyone else posting on this thread.


Except for me.

All I'm going on is the DLRC-attributed Snow-15, which had a fully-finished wing feather. If that one's misattributed, I'm
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 Posted 02/17/2010  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list
Looking back over the pictures I have it does seem like an S15 would have more wing tip than this one is showing.

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 Posted 02/18/2010  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oimcoins to your friends list
Thank you guys for your help. I guess I will mark it is "Snow-4/15?"
Either way, the doubling is quite dramatic and glad I was able to find this piece!
Thanks again for the help!
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 Posted 02/18/2010  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list
You might try posting a picture of the reverse. There are markers listed in the book I have for each reverse that might help decide between the two. As it stands I'm leaning towards the S4.
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 Posted 02/19/2010  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Btw, Rick Snow does attributions for a modest fee, see the site I linked. That would certainly clinch this one.
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 Posted 03/18/2010  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list
According to my book, the S-3 is NOT. The S-4 does not show the right hand side where "america" is doubled. S-15, to me is the closest of all. the spread in the doubling is the closest, and it also shows a slight doubling on the wing. IMHO, S-15.
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 Posted 03/19/2010  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list
I've got a similar 1857 with the broken wingtip. Is it a Snow #3. I don't have a guide.
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 Posted 03/19/2010  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list
Sorry, I left out the wingtip.
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 Posted 03/19/2010  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list
AAGH-another senior moment. Left out the eagle too!
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 Posted 03/20/2010  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list
Your first pictures appear to be from an Indian cent. Could you post a picture of the entire obverse & reverse of the coin?
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 Posted 03/20/2010  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list
trdhrdr007, you are so right. I was very tired when I posted last night. The first pix were of an 1882 IHC with Longacre doubling. Here are the pix of my 1857 Flying Eagle. Thanks for spotting my goof.
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