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I Know They Didnt Make A 1878-S Morgan Proof

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 Posted 06/18/2006  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
I didnt actually think it was fake either, I was just in awe about how beautiful this thing was
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 Posted 06/18/2006  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
Here is another one of his items he had up for sale, I am not sure if his coins are the nicest I have seen, or he is just good at taking pictures and manipulating the pictures to make the coin look better

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And here is another one This one is priced in the EF range, it has got to be nicer than that dont ya think?

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 Posted 06/18/2006  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I'd post a reply, but I can't seem to find my voice....
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 Posted 06/18/2006  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
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Originally posted by SuperDave

I'd post a reply, but I can't seem to find my voice....



is that a good thing or bad thing? does the 94 have you choked up?
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 Posted 06/18/2006  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list
Giving the seller the benefit of the doubt and presuming s/he hasn't photoshopped the pics (manipulated images are usually much brighter; these are bright, but not outrageously so as to cover defects), the seller has offered some really, really nice coins. That 80CC sure looks good, but it has some small rim dings at 9:30 and 11:00 on the reverse which might bring it down a little. And that 94 looks a little better than EF, at least in the image. If these are all from the same seller, give us an auction reference to check him/her out; could be we have an honest seller here?

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 Posted 06/19/2006  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
The '78 is to die for. You just can't fake what that coin is showing, unless you're an absolute master. The CC is, if not to die for, at least to get very sick for.

The '94 has had work, either on the photo or the coin. It's way too clean for the wear. I think it would see AU50-53 based on market grading, except it's spent too much time in the EZest.
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 Posted 06/19/2006  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Oh, it's hsturn. I rescind my previous words - plan on both the coins and photos having been altered. He's apparently got a pretty good Photoshopper working for him, or he is one. You can assume that the coin purchased won't look like the one pictured.
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 Posted 06/19/2006  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
Yep thats who it is, here is his ebay page http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZhsturnQQhtZ-1 sorry it took so long to respond to the question on who it was but I overlooked that part of the reply. He has had quite a few (11) Mutually withdrawn feedbacks and from looking at toolhaus they have all been about them not receiving what he described, that was why I was wondering if he just had a few magnificent coins in the last week or does these things actually look that good. I clicked on some of his links that people left negative feedback on and they may look ok but nothing like the ones I posted these coins were just way to good to be true
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 Posted 06/19/2006  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
Here is a link to the 1878-S that I showed in the first post http://cgi.ebay.com/1878-S-MORGAN-S...cmdZViewItem. So SuperDave, this coin has been photoshoped and if they can make a coin look this good with photoshop how in the world would a normal person be able to tell the difference between one that has been fixed and one that is original?
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 Posted 06/19/2006  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
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Originally posted by Bryan1315

Here is a link to the 1878-S that I showed in the first post http://cgi.ebay.com/1878-S-MORGAN-S...cmdZViewItem. So SuperDave, this coin has been photoshoped and if they can make a coin look this good with photoshop how in the world would a normal person be able to tell the difference between one that has been fixed and one that is original?



You can't tell the difference. That's why more experienced collectors are always advising the newer collectors to be so darn careful around Internet auctions.

By maximizing the lighting advantage when photographing the coin, you can add an easy two or three grades to any coin. Then a little blurring in Photoshop (nothing major - just reduce the size of the existing marks so you can argue it's the same coin), and you have an instant PL.
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 Posted 06/19/2006  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
WOW thats scary, Thats why I only buy slabbed coins atleast I know atleast the TPG thought it deserved that grade on that specific day
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 Posted 06/19/2006  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list
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Originally posted by Bryan1315

WOW thats scary, Thats why I only buy slabbed coins atleast I know atleast the TPG thought it deserved that grade on that specific day


[:0]WoW!!! The 78 and 94 are real beauties!!! [:0]
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 Posted 06/19/2006  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
One of the reasons that I, and other sellers, post large pics is because it becomes tough to do a good alteration at higher sizes. Above 500 pixels or so for a coin, even a very good Photoshopper leaves evidence of their work.
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 Posted 06/19/2006  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kcvet67 to your friends list
I've bought from hsturn and can verify what SuperDave said. The coins I received were worth well over what I paid, so I didn't complain, but they certainly didn't look like the pictures in the listings. Actually, I still watch his listings, on occasion I've been able to get a good buy, but I always deduct at least 3 points from what the pic seems to show and bid accordingly.
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 Posted 06/20/2006  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
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Originally posted by kcvet67

I've bought from hsturn and can verify what SuperDave said. The coins I received were worth well over what I paid, so I didn't complain, but they certainly didn't look like the pictures in the listings. Actually, I still watch his listings, on occasion I've been able to get a good buy, but I always deduct at least 3 points from what the pic seems to show and bid accordingly.



I'll go along with that. It's not that I wouldn't buy from him, but I take the actual representations with a grain of salt. Not the seller I'd recommend to a rookie.

Kcvet, do I recognize your nick from the ebay Community?
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