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Yeah, me neither. Good point Saruma. I guess it depends that if you consider all cents from 1909 on "Lincoln Cents", or if you divide them between "wheat" and "memorial"....etc. If the latter, then is the Wheat cent "modern" or "classic"? Personally, I consider wheat cents classic and therefore "Lincolns" at least partially classic. I have posted many wheat cents in the classic forums, though they are also often in modern forums.............so my overall point is that it is all relative and that I am babbling since it is way past my bedtime and tylenol pm is kicking in. to all a goodnight!  Edited by johnny54321
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What about wheat cents? They're still in production - that was the rationale. Wheat cents are still in production?  I'm not following you Dave. |
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Technically, Lincoln Memorial cents are not in production anymore either, should they be classic?  |
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*sigh* It is a generally-accepted line in numismatics that Moderns are those coins in production as of 1950 or later. The Lincoln Cent, in one design or another, is still in production. Wheaties were in production after 1950. Therefore, it's a Modern. |
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Quote:It is a generally-accepted line in numismatics that Moderns are those coins in production as of 1950 or later. The Lincoln Cent, in one design or another, is still in production. Wheaties were in production after 1950. Therefore, it's a Modern. Ok, with this logic, could you then say that coins in production in 1949 or earlier are classic? The Wheat cent was also produced in 1949 and before; therefore........ I'd say the Wheat cent spent more time as a "non-modern" than a "modern" if 1950 is the cutoff date. I don't think we will ever see eye to eye on this one Dave, but it's fun debating it anyway. |
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Quote:Well, if that is the rationale then why are Franklin halves in the modern section? Because if Kennedy had not been killed, they would still be in production. As I have said before, the Franklin half dollar is younger than every other current circulating denomination below one dollar (not including recent changes to the cent, nickel, and quarter). |
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Quote:Ok, with this logic, could you then say that coins in production in 1949 or earlier are classic? The Wheat cent was also produced in 1949 and before; therefore........ I'd say the Wheat cent spent more time as a "non-modern" than a "modern" if 1950 is the cutoff date. I don't think we will ever see eye to eye on this one Dave, but it's fun debating it anyway. /Bangs head against wall Yer killin' me, johnny.  |
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jbuck, True, but the reasoning given in the post I was responding to was because the Lincoln Cent was still in production. Now, if the argument was that the Franklin would still be in production if it wasn't for Kennedy dieing, I'd say if Roosevelt hadn't died we still might have Mercury dimes! How about this definition: Modern coins are coins produced after 1950 PLUS coin styles produced prior to 1950 that continued after 1950 with little or no change to the design. To head off the wheat argument on the above definition I would say that wheats were produced until 1959, and therefore fall squarely into the second half of the definition. |
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Quote: Now, if the argument was that the Franklin would still be in production if it wasn't for Kennedy dieing, I'd say if Roosevelt hadn't died we still might have Mercury dimes! Although I feel giddy at that notion, it is not exactly the same thing. I will expand my reasoning and why it applies to Franklin and not the Mercury dime. This is my opinion only and to the best of my knowledge was not a factor in the decisions made by the forum administration.I personally believe that the division between the modern and classic era is simple. It occurs when a design moved from using Liberty to images of real people on the obverse. The Mercury dime, having an image of Liberty, is a classic coin. The Franklin half dollar, having an image of a real person, is a modern coin. Mercury was destined to be replaced with a real person, the Franklin was not. One might argue "But what if Liberty survived on the dime and half dollar and was still being used today?" Well, they did not, so I do not have to consider that. What happened, happened. Liberty was replaced with effigies, so that is where I draw the line. Again, just the way I look at it. |
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Lots of opinions, and all valid in their own right imo. I see where you guys are coming from. So then the last "classic" coin produced would have been the 1948 walking liberty? And the first "modern" coin produced was the 1909 Lincoln Cent? I guess what irks me a bit is the fact that there is such a large overlap between classic/modern as far as the actual age of the coin is concerned. |
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I like jbucks reasoning, but am not sure where it falls with regards to the Buffalo nickel and some of the gold coins. Oh, and the 2c. |
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I would say that the Buffalo nickel is unquestionably a classic design. |
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Wow! I didn't realize my slight (yet, oh so, subtle) dig at the "Big Forum Gods" was going to turn into a monumental discussion of "what's classic" and "what's not" in the US numismatic community. But I like it...  |
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Yeah, it's all your fault Moe! I think I pretty much agree with everything but wheat cents. Maybe someday I will conform to the group opinion, but for now I'm rebelling. I just can't see my 1909-s vdb as a modern. Now watch, the moderators will move all my lincoln threads from the classic forum to the modern forum and put me in my place...   |
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I guess what irks me a bit is the fact that there is such a large overlap between classic/modern as far as the actual age of the coin is concerned. Each denomination has its own Classical and Modern eras!  Quote:...but am not sure where it falls with regards to the Buffalo nickel and some of the gold coins. One could say that a generic Native American is symbolic of Liberty. That may be pushing it, but it is most definitely not an official effigy of an actual person. |
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