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Pillar of the Community
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Wow! What a nice coin. Thanks for showing it to us. Definitely let us know what it comes back from PCGS as.
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Pillar of the Community
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Remarkably beautiful!
Do I see evidence of die clashing between 2 and 3 o'clock on the reverse of the specimen?
Diagnostically, does the specimen have edge lettering: "PAYABLE IN ANGLESEY"? If so, this is a Baker-18/Breen 1225, with a rarity of URS-9 (125-249 known)
I think this looks to be at AU :)
Whitman ests. AU @ $1500, and EF @ $850.
Edited by CheetahCats
04/20/2010 9:55 pm
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Valued Member
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A beautiful coin.  I have a 1793 Washington Ship 1/2P, too.  It was graded AU55 by PCGS.   |
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I am not good at taking pictures. Below please find pictures from the Heritage.   |
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Pillar of the Community
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cheetah asked, "Do I see evidence of die clashing between 2 and 3 o'clock on the reverse of the specimen?"
good eye. I see it.
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Yes, it is the lettered edge version. It says "Payable in Anglesey London or Liverpool".
CheetahCats - if I knew what die clashing is, I could tell you if it had it :-) We're beginners and just starting to dive into the collection. So it's safe to say this one could be graded AU?
Thanks guys!
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A clash is an impression of part of a device or legend of one die onto the field of the die facing it in the press. This is caused when the coin's dies strike one another without a planchet in between them... or in some cases, when the dies are violently dropped onto one another, like what happened with the 1783 Nova Constellatio Crosby 1-A. In this case, the first explanation is what appears to have happened. Pursuant to Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. and Colonial Coins, Walter Breen, (c)1988, pg.138:
- Breen confirms indeed that specimen 1225 has severely clashed and buckled dies associated with later strikings.
- Breen also reports that ship rigging and overdate are also quite gone towards late die stage; hair details of Washington also become more and more vague. For much later die stages, there are breaks in AG, GT, and in Washington's bust.
- Lettered edge indicates same edge as Breen-1223, Liverpool Halfpenny.
Therefore, based on these diagnostics, I am quite confident that this specimen is indicative of a Breen-1225 as suspected. And as apparent in this specimen, I would venture to estimate [should this specimen be proven genuine] that this specimen was minted somewhere in intermediate-to-late die stage, as some aspects of rigging is missing, as well as some details of Washington's hair. This specimen may indeed be of higher grade than AU-50. Worn appearance with devices may be the result of die condition, rather than circulation. This of course, is only my opinion. TPG would of course have final say with respect to attribution & diagnostics, as well as verify genuineness. Edited by CheetahCats
04/21/2010 04:04 am
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So it's safe to say this one could be graded AU? That's a safe assumption.  Strongly-struck on fairly new dies, as well - note the strength of the rigging in the ship. Excellent pics, by the way. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Very nice coin. I've never seen one of these before!
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stream41 -> any other specimens that you obtained which are of similar age / type?
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Pillar of the Community
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Fantastic coin and very informative thread!
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Those early coppers are beautiful coins. You have one to treasure there. Thanks for sharing!
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