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Help Identifying Some World Coins

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 Posted 07/06/2006  04:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by sn31

I have come across some new(old )world coins
But I hav'nt a clue about them.Any info would
be appreciated.Thanks,sn31.
1906 Edwardvs V11 DEL GRA BRITT OMN REX FID DEF IND IMP one penny
1900 REPUBLIQUE FRANCAISE 10C
1866 LEOPOLD ll ROI DES BELGES,all I can make out on the back is"FAIT LA FORCE"
18? NAPOLEON lll EMPEREUR



The Belgian text is
L'Union fait la force
United we are strong

The lowest dominiation I can find from 1866 is a silver one frank

http://users.telenet.be/egmp/belgie...indexbga.htm

On the left you can slide up all the way to the gold 20 frank
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 Posted 07/06/2006  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sn31 to your friends list
Thank you everyone who has contributed here.You have been most helpful.I will most likely hang onto these,as I do with most of my coins worth anything or not.I was just curious if they were worth hanging onto.Thanks for the sites,I will study up more on these coins,it helps knowing what they are :) sn31.
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 Posted 07/06/2006  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sn31 to your friends list
I have been taking a closer look at this "Napoleon"
coin I have marked 18?It's made my eye's hurt, the date is so faint,but I believe it says 1855?I believe it is copper.sn31.
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 Posted 07/07/2006  02:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
1855 is indeed a likely date for that type. If you thought the date was a challenge, have a go at finding the mintmarks. The main mintmark should be just below the stick the eagle is perched on. During the Second Empire, the mintmarks were:
A = Paris
B = Rouen
BB = Strasbourg
D = Lyon (with "large D" and "small D" varieties)
K = Bordeaux
MA = Marseille
W = Lille.

There are also two "mintmaster's privy marks". These are little pictures on either side of the date. In 1855, the French Engraver General changed halfway through the year, so at least two varieties for each mint appear for that date. Your options are "dog's head" and "anchor".
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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 Posted 07/07/2006  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sn31 to your friends list
Hi Sap,
There is a B mintmark,and I would guess by the wear one side could be a dogs head,and the other an anchor.Are these both on the coin,or is it one or the other?Sorry to be a pain,thanks Sandra.
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 Posted 07/08/2006  05:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
To clarify the usage of the "privy marks" on 19th century French coinage: there were two bureaucrats who had their marks placed on French coins of this period: the Engraver General, who was in charge of all the mints around the country, and the Mint Director, with each mint having it's own Director. Thus, all coins from all mints in a particular year will have the Engraver General's mark, while the Director's mark will vary from mint to mint.

For B (Rouen) mint, the Director's mark in 1855 was a 'hand',looking like a side-on view of a hand held out like a "Hitler salute".

For BB (Strasbourg) mint, the Director's mark in 1855 should be a 'bee', top view, roughly triangular shaped with antennae at the top.

The Engraver General's mark was outlined above; up to 1855, it'll be a 'dog's head'; 1855 and later will be an 'anchor'. Both marks might occur in the transition year 1855, but not on the same coin.

From your description, it sounds like you've got an 1855 B, with hand and anchor privy marks.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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 Posted 07/08/2006  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sn31 to your friends list
Thanks Sap :)
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 Posted 07/12/2006  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list
I'll take a look see and hopefully can find some values for you sn31, unless someone else beats me to it.
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 Posted 08/10/2006  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sn31 to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by sn31

I have come across some new(old )world coins
But I hav'nt a clue about them.Any info would
be appreciated.Thanks,sn31.
1906 Edwardvs V11 DEL GRA BRITT OMN REX FID DEF IND IMP one penny
1900 REPUBLIQUE FRANCAISE 10C
1866 LEOPOLD ll ROI DES BELGES,all I can make out on the back is"FAIT LA FORCE"
18? NAPOLEON lll EMPEREUR


Would anyone have any idea of a value for these coins?They are in good/fine condition.The 18?is 1855.Thanks,sn31.
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 Posted 08/11/2006  04:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
OK then, I'll give you the values for Fine condition, the lowest grade the catalogue gives. Some denominations haven't been worked out yet; we need to know the size. I've given approximate size comparisons with US/Canadian coins:

Great Britain 1 penny 1907: 50¢.

France 10 centimes 1900: $1.

Belgium: we never did work out the denomination of this one. The denomination number should be to the left of the shield on the "fait la force" side. Here are the possible values for the French-legend silvers dated 1866:
50 centimes (about dime-sized): $2,
1 franc (a bit smaller than a quarter): $2,
2 francs (a bit bigger than a quarter): $7,
5 francs (dollar-sized): 3 varieties from $110 up to $400.

Imperial France: never quite narrowed down the denomination on this one, either. The denomination should be written out, in French, under the eagle. Options for coppers dated 1855B(dog) are:
1 (UN) centime (tiny - smaller than a dime): $10,
2 (DEUX) centimes (about 1¢ sized): $1.50,
5 (CINQ) centimes (about quarter-sized): $2,
10 (DIX) centimes (same size as coin #2): $3.

In post #6 you also mentioned a British 2 new pence 1975. CV on that one in Extremely Fine is 15¢.

Hope this helps. . If you have any other questions about identifying these further, please ask away.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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 Posted 08/11/2006  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sn31 to your friends list
Thanks Sap.The 1855 is the size of a US Kennedy half dollar.I think I can make out DIX on it though.Thanks for helping me get them figured out :) sn31.
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08/11/2006 12:31 pm
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 Posted 08/11/2006  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sn31 to your friends list
Oh,I'm sure there is not much difference but the Great Brittain penny is a 1906.I assume the 1866 is 2 francs,as it is a bit bigger than a quarter.:) sn31.
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 Posted 08/11/2006  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Whups, sorry about that. Where did I get 1907 from? Maybe I need more sleep before I start posting...

You're correct though, not much difference in price - still 50¢ in Fine.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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 Posted 10/09/2006  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sn31 to your friends list
In effort for my forum friend Thingee,here is the topic I was telling you to search for.
:) sn31.
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quote:
Originally posted by sn31

In effort for my forum friend Thingee,here is the topic I was telling you to search for.
:) sn31.



Thank you so much sn31! That was very informative.
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