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Sight unseen, I'd definitely rather take the NGC coin. But in general, I do try to buy raw coins in MOST cases unless its a commonly faked type. I started out more with slabbed coins though, but if you learn a series well enough, buying raw coins can be fine. Just have to be very careful.
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Remember that MS-60 is more of a generic grade and is difficult to really find. If you think you know enough about Morgans and can tell if a coin has been cleaned or is counterfeit, then there's nothing wrong with buying raw.
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Forgot the most important thing. These are Morgans. Didn't want to mention names but the premium BU would come from Skyline Coins who is a large advertiser in Coin World whom I trust. He has a return rule of 14 days for any reason. He also has a lot to lose if he sells cleaned or doctored coins. Coin World list BU as minimum of Mint state 60, but Choice BU as minimum mint state 63 and gem BU as mint state 65. Where premium BU fits in I don't know. If they are listed as BU or any form of it they must be at least these minimum grades. As for the slabbed coin its from an ebay dealer whom I know well and I have bought from before. Its not an ebay listing as such because I saw the coin at his house and it will be a private deal. My problem is I love NGC slabs. All of my Silver Eagles are NGC's 69 or 70. But raw in a strong BU is nice also. Welcome more opinions. Thanks again for the opinions. edgman |
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He also has a lot to lose if he sells cleaned or doctored coins. Your line quoted above jumped out at me. It's not that I don't trust this seller (never dealt with them) but cleaned/doctored/altered coins are everywhere and the seller can always claim ignorance and refund the money of the few people who buy from them and even realize they bought a problem coin. Believe me that it very few buyers! Me? I'd buy the NGC coin but neither of the prices sounds like a screaming good deal to me. If the 1886-S is a date you must have, I'd spend some time looking for a AU coin that is WELL under $200. |
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Been looking at those prices for months now. If anyone sees a slabbed AU58 for less than 175 please let me know. I called skyline and he said the coin should grade MS62. Also if I got the coin certified and it failed for any reason he would buy the coin back and pay for the certification. Out of 32 Coin World dealers $209 was the lowest by far for that grade. ebay is much higher for 86-S if you can trust them. I have a coin show to go to this Sunday and will scout around. If nothing I'm probably going to go with the slabbed NGC. Thanks again. Remember guys, no matter what your opinions are you wont hurt my feelings. edgman |
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Edgman - another important thing that I think hasn't been asked - what do you plan to do with it? Are you keeping it for yourself or perhaps selling it on in a few years?
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I think I would go with the coin that I could actually see. A long time ago I bought a coin from a Coin World advertiser. It was supposed to be a Bust Half Dollar in XF. It had a great price. I received an F12. That thing went right back to the dealer. Should have known. |
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My opinion ...... you would be giving up your major advantage as a collector if you purchase the unseen coin .... Quote:
I have never seen the coin from coin world Not intending to hurt any feelings ..... but the reason we all strive to gain knowledge is to make our own informed personal decisions about the aesthetics of a coin for our collections. The details of eye appeal, strike quality, and technical grade must be judged coin-by-coin .... and best if done in hand while armed with knowledge of the series. I just can't imagine allowing someone else make those decisions for me ...... regardless of their return policy. My vote FWIW .... go with the AU-58 that you have seen and are happy with. That's my 2c worth ..... David Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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delaner To answer your question. My coins go to my 2 grandsons via a Trust. They cant cash them in until attaining a certain age unless its an emergency. Its already in my will. Only want the best for them. The AU58 is leading in my thoughts right now. Just saw a 86-S NGC MS63 on ebay bidded up to $326 and still had a few hours to go. edgman |
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edgman
Be careful and diligent. NGC slabbed coins have a viable guarantee. Buying a sight-unseen coin could lead to problems. Greysheet has this coin @ MS63 around $385, where the bidding will top-out. Whereas a nice coin in AU is @ $145 - big gap. JMHO.
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On a relatively common coin like that, I would absolutely go raw if available. I'd be surprised if that coin wasn't available by the tons in MS grades and slabs at any show.
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Holding off till I go to a show Sunday. I'm getting a little afraid of buying an NGC coin on ebay. I searched in Morgans for NGC and over 2000 hits came up. Some of these look downright phony. When comparing dates one MS63 was selling for $350 and another in the same date and MS 63 was going for $65 with approximately the same bidding time left. I'm not prejudice or a racist but I am not buying a slabbed NGC coin from someone in Pakistan or Hong Kong (could use more countries but these are 2 I just saw). And there are a lot of foreign sellers popping up. At least most shows I know the dealers. edgman |
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I think that's a very wise decision. I don't like buying any coin I haven't seen, no matter what the dealer claims. Coin dealers that advertise heavily in Coin World ect. have a lot of overhead which means they must get a premium for the coins they sell. It's all about the dollar. You should get a much better deal at the coin show. Happy hunting! |
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