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not all errors increase the value of a coin True. I would just think that a struck-thru Morgan would fetch a decent dollar. It looks legit to me, but what do I know. |
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Looks like a legitimate error to this guy. I've been told that the mint employees would use wood chips to clean off the dies. Perhaps, this coin was struck through a piece of wood? Material such as wood might be soft enough to have allowed the feather detail within such a deep impression to show. If this error is mint-made, it's one of the largest strike-throughs that I've seen over the years; a major example of a relatively minor error ...
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Very interesting coin. And theories. WOLF
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I will give you something to think about, if it was a "legit" strike thru error, how did the wreath and feathers get on the coin?
In my opinion, this is post mint damage, think about what you are seeing, just my opinion.....
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At the time I posted this, I didn't really understand what a struck-thru was. I'm sorry. That's why I was asking.
Since then, I found a Lincoln that I posted (and also thought was struck-thru something) that turned out to be a lamination error. So, this coin may have post-mint as you suggest, but if it's not, I would now lean more toward lamination error as it looks similar.
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I would call this a planchet flaw prior to striking. Right wing and feathers are complete although lightly struck. Same with legs and wreath. All the relief areas appear to be raised within the incuse flaw.
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PMD.... with no reservations or doubts.
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I'd love to have the coin in hand to look at under my microscope. I'd bet a wooden nickel it's not PMD. I do not believe damage that radical would not leave the wreath or feathers of the eagle that prominent or symmetrical...PMD would have mashed them flat at that degree of damage. |
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What possibility other than PMD could there be, j_h_s ? |
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That's the $64 question that'll cost me my wooden nickel, zeewool. Then, another $64 question is, "What would cause that particular PMD, leaving the impression of the wreath, feather lines, and legs visible AND symmetrical?" |
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I've been told that the mint employees would use wood chips to clean off the dies. I can't see wood chips to clean the dies, but sawdust was used to dry the planchets after cleaning. Quote:
I will give you something to think about, if it was a "legit" strike thru error, how did the wreath and feathers get on the coin? If the material is thin enough, and at least a little flexible, it is possible to have the design transfer through the strike through material and show the design where the intervening object was. Edited by Conder101
07/03/2010 10:39 am
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I really don't know what the exact nomenclature of the PMD may have been. Probably would have had to have been there at the time of occurrence. Planchet flaw would have filled in 'to a certain extent' in strike. The edges of the depression do not indicate flow. The depth of this depression coupled with the fact that design is visible are the key. Strike thru would not have left the impression of the wreath, feather lines, and legs visible. (Strike thru 'anything' means that the 'anything' is between the planchet and the die). If an obstruction of this depth were to occur in strike, the only impression would be that of the obstruction, not the die design that never touched the planchet. |
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I didn't see your post before I replied Conder: Quote:
If the material is thin enough You are absolutely correct. |
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Thank you, Conder...I'm sticking with strike error rather than PMD. Edited by j_h_s
07/04/2010 08:35 am
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Don't believe it is post mint damage. The continuation of the strike through the "ditch" on the coin indicates to me that it is something that happened in the minting process perhaps from interference (something between the planchet and the die). So I would call it a strike error, but as to price.....the coin is obviously circulated, maybe a low EF. Not a key date so worth about $15-$20 wholesale, maybe. AS to the error, maybe add another $20-$25, but you'd have to be an error collector to really appreciate it. If the guy got $65, I'd say he did OK, but I would not pay that for it. Just my $.02. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, or in this case the "holder". Thanks for posting.
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