1811/10 Half

Agree, AU-53.

NGC XF details cleaned. As you probably can imagine, I was pretty upset with the grade.

There are absolutely no hairlines to suggest cleaning, and it doesn't have a dipped 'look' either. My dealer said it might have been stored in an old brown envelope to tone and that NGC wouldn't like that.

1810 half, looks about G-6. Value probably around $70 I'm guessing. You should start a new topic though!

Nope, nothing of the sort. I might resubmit it, but if NGC is 'cracking down' I feel they may give it this grade again (which I think is unfair). It's really important I get it into an AU slab because it's a $1100 coin in that grade. Even in a problem free XF-45, at least $900. I feel that it should grade at least problem free XF-45, so I'm hoping I can.

Yeah I know what you mean, thats a classic sign of an old cleaning. But in those cases (which I've learned to recognize), there are ALWAYS hairlines. However in some cases, even with slabbed coins, I've seen ones that have more toning near the devices than on the surfaces. Don't substances naturally accumulate a bit more in the devices if the coin is in circulation? I just can't see how its been cleaned if there are no hairlines (or excessively dipped with none of that excess shine, I've also dealt with many dipped pieces).

I kind of feel like they just looked at the color distribution and assumed it was cleaned without looking really really closely. It may indeed have been toned in an envelope but I just can't see any hairlines no matter how carefully I look. And it has a lot of subtle luster too, and just appears natural. I mean, I pretty much universally dislike cleaned coins, so if this were really cleaned I probably wouldn't think it had so much eye appeal. I'm not arguing or anything, just really frustrated. Of course, I lucked out on some others.

I think NGC may have goofed on this one. I don't see the cleaning. Someone point it out to me.