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I know, this thread is still a few days old.
but I also studied this coin.
in my oppinion, this coin is one of the patterns, struck by or in order of Justus Erich Bollmann.
Bollman was born in germany an moved to philadelphia around the year 1797.
Here he studied the "new" metal platinum. He also was interested in platinum as a curreny around the world and he also shared his ideas at the congress of vienna (1814/15).
The word "platina" is engraved on this coin, not "platinum" as it was usual in england, and also in america, during his days.
"Platina" was used in germany until the 1820´s or so.
So this seems to be engraved by someone who must be also of german orign.
of course, it would be great owning one of theese coins, but I fear this is impossible
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09/14/2012 2:13 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Actually a few years old.
Still a great thread.
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yes and only three pieces known worldwide.
so I think its the rarest us-coin?
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Its a contemporary counterfeit made in South America or metal from this region - I can prove it.
John Lorenzo
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Yes ACE MIKE your thoughts are on the proper wavelenth.
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believe me, this is no counterfeit from southern america.
one of this pieces is known since 1861 (see A description of ancient and modern coins: in the cabinet collection at the Mint of the United States by James Ross Snowden)
bollmann got the material itself from columbia, as far as I know.
and that he struck some pattern coins in phillie, thats proof.
silver was less worth than platinum, so why should be this coin faked with a more expensive material?
to fake gold coins with platinum at theese days, okay but a silvercoin?
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09/15/2012 2:39 pm
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Its a contemporary counterfeit made in South America or metal from this region - I can prove it. Care to elaborate? I tried to find out information about these coins when they were circulation on allot of the coin forums a few years ago and didn't see anything that would suggest that they were counterfeit so I am interested in what proof you may have to the contrary |
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People would hollow out $20 gold coins and refill the void with platinum which has a similar specific gravity. I'm curious how this would be accomplished, since platinum melts at 1200 degrees higher than gold's melting point--wouldn't that pose difficulties to fill a hole in a gold coin?  Just wondering out loud. |
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to find out more, you need the old books and the archieves.
there you will find all the information.
F. Kapp: "Justus Erich Bollmann. Ein lebensbild aus zwei welttheilen" (1880)
This book includes letters from bollmann about his work with platinum and his ideas as a currency.
@DVcollector: I never even found or saw one of theese hollowed fakes.
I think this is kind of legend.
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09/16/2012 12:10 am
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@DVcollector: I never even found or saw one of theese hollowed fakes.
I think this is kind of legend. I've seen one in a museum collection but it was LONG ago and I don't remember the museum. It may have been in the Smithsonian collection. Quote:
I'm curious how this would be accomplished, since platinum melts at 1200 degrees higher than gold's melting point--wouldn't that pose difficulties to fill a hole in a gold coin? the coin would be cut in half through the thickness, the center would be hollowed out and a disk of platinum would be put in the hollowed out space. |
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@conder101 aha, so this is a fake like a goldplated platinumcore. okay, this was also in europe usable. not being filled with melted platinum - this would be not possible because of the different meltingpoints. but this kind of fake is of course known. btw: here are two of my new purchases   theese are two spanish contemporary counterfeits, struck in platinum and thin gilded. Edited by platinrubel
09/16/2012 05:34 am
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Excellent ... Barrera falls short in his book ... calling this different counterfeits singular metal counterfeits ... I like your term thin gilded ... will expound in 24h ... these classifications are correct but too generic ...
John Lorenzo
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@ colonialjohn:
i do not understand, do you have some fourther information?
whas the title of barreras book?
what do you mean with "too generic"?
greets thomas
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NGC did an article about it about a year before it sold at Heritage (so around 2010 I guess) I will say at least PCGS gave the coin a grade instead of the way NGC did it when they encapsulated it
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