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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm not sure about counting machines, but can tell you that some vending machunes reject silver coins. I own a few and have actually had a complaint from one girl because it wouldn't take the silver quarters her pap pap gave her. I'm guessing the weight may have something to do with it
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Pillar of the Community
United States
757 Posts |
andrew, the counting machines you go to...are they coinstar?
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Valued Member
 United States
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I have also never thought about this. But the older soda and snack vending machines probably at one point took them? Hah a girl actualy complained because her quarter didn't go through? Wow people are so needy.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The credit union I use has a coin counting machine but its not a coin star. It looks almost like a washing machine, square, about the same size and you lift a lid on the top to dump the coins. It doesn't charge to use it at my CU but I was told I couldn't purchase the bags that they were sent back to the FED and if I wanted to purchase coins I would have to buy boxes.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
757 Posts |
yeah, but andrew apparently got a sweet little bag of halves from his bank right out of their counting machine!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
591 Posts |
One of the banks I used to bank at had big plastic bags. The sorted and counted this put them in these bags and sealed em waiting for pick up. You could walk in and let them know you wanted a bag of pennies and like a bag of ice they would bring me a $50 bag
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Valued Member
 United States
497 Posts |
Obl. they do not use coinstar. The machine is very similar to how jokingjoker described it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
687 Posts |
It's all kind of variable - some counting machines will reject silver some won't. Some banks will sell you bags, some won't. You'll all have to experiment and observe in order to figure it out for your banks. I know the TCF's in the Chicago area use counting machines that reject silver (not sure if all of them do, but the little short ones in most of the branches do). They don't separate the coins into bags either, it all gets dumped into a big wheeled box that they probably ship out to be counted and rolled. Those particular machines collect anything magnetic inside and don't usually kick it back out to the reject tray and they can also tell the difference between bronze and zinc pennies. When the tellers go in to service the machines, they'll clean out the internal reject bucket and usually throw out all the coins in there! Most of the Chase and Harris banks in the area use the commercial counters that dump into bags but I've been unsuccessful so far in purchasing the bags. I assume that these counters (which seem more robust) don't reject silver - if they kicked it out I imagine we wouldn't be finding it in rolls. I doubt any of the machines will kick out War Nickels though. They have a similar weight and the same electrical conductivity as regular nickels.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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My CU told me the same thing as jokingjoker was told about not selling bags. In fact, their counting machine looks exactly like the one he described. (We're in different states). I guess I'll try the grocery stores next.
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Valued Member
United States
368 Posts |
I know for a fact that I have received 2 silver dimes from 2 different people using 2 different vending machines that both rejected silver
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1952 Posts |
most of the US stuff I have found in the reject tray was silver. the rest was feren
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2661 Posts |
I saw a documentary on the tele about Coin Star. They showed that all the coins fall into a pair of hoppers that each weigh approximately 800lbs when full. They are picked up by Brinks, taken to one of their facilities then sorted, rolled, and boxed for shipment. Some how, somewhere, Coin Star gets paid.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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RollHunter, do you know what happens when the bank bags get filled up and then go off to the armored car services? My understanding is they get audited. If that's the case it means each bag is counted separately. In other words, contrary to the popular wisdom, perhaps, the incoming coin isn't mixed in with the incoming coin from the other banks...at least, not initially. The reason that's important to know is it might explain the reason for the occasional "monster box." If these bank bags are audited, and the coin is then rolled, then boxed, separately, that would mean our boxes are the true incoming bank bags. OTOH, if the coin is audited, then mixed in with the other incoming coin from the other banks, then rolled, then boxed, there goes my theory. Do you, or does anybody, have any insights on that? I was always curious about it.
Edited by eddiespin 10/31/2010 08:24 am
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Valued Member
United States
167 Posts |
The banks I go to will sell me bags of coin from the machine. From what I've seen they do a poor job at kicking out canandian coin and they certainly let silver dimes and nickels through. most every bag of pennies I get has at least 1 dime it, but the bag of dimes also ususally have a penny. I don't take the time to count either, I figure that machine is "accurate enough for this country".
The banks ship coin off to brinks or loomis or wherever. The bank pays a fee to have the bag counted and verified. Then coin is rolled and brought back to the bank (also for a fee). What is unclear to me is whether or not the coin is wrapped and brought back to the same bank or mixed in with coin from other banks.
On some site someone said that they went to the loomis depot and saw the operation, but they were told that the coins were segregated between banks and that the banks got back the same coin they sent out. True or not, I have no clue. The service descriptions on the websites of both brinks and loomis list lots of options.
I called loomis and brinks as well to see if they would drop off / pick up bulk coin from my "place of business" but they said that they only work with banks. Figured it was worth a shot, cut out the bank as the middle man.
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Valued Member
United States
101 Posts |
I believe the silver coins don't have the same electromagnetic signature of the "modern" coins, so they get rejected if the vending machine/ coin counter is using a coin validation coil to identify coins by elecromagnetic signature.
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