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Knights Templar 1864 Seated Liberty Half Dollar No Motto

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 Posted 12/28/2010  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list

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Why is the engraving so shiney?

I believe that is a result of the scanner trying to compensate for the engraving on the coin. I bet in hand its not as shiny as it appears in these photo's but it is sunk in to the coin when all the other details are raised so the scanner doesn't really know how to project that in the photo. It is probably a little more shiny because it was engraved and moved metal around which could hinder the toning in those areas but I doubt it is as prominent as the photo shows
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 Posted 12/28/2010  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list

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Why is the engraving so shiney?


It looks to me like simple light reflection. Notice it's also reflecting off of some of the recesses of the feathers, making them look shiny.
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 Posted 12/28/2010  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
I'm thinking the coin pictured may be more like a $1,000 item given the premium that seems to have been paid for an F/VF example at auction. Condition seems really good from the scan.
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 Posted 12/28/2010  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Why is the engraving so shiney?

Because the surfaces were created by a different method. The coin surfaces are created by the striking which resulted in a satiny finish, but the engraving was created by a cutting of th urface resulting in a shiny worked surface. The engraving would have been much shinier when new and will still be shinier even after toning.
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 Posted 08/07/2014  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add a1nb2p to your friends list
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 Posted 08/07/2014  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list
The OP hasn't been active since December 2010. I doubt that we will ever learn the fate of the OP and his coin.

JK Americana has one of these on their site, but it's on hold. http://www.jkamericana.com/inventor....U-O7lfldVrp

Back in June, Coin World ran an article that originally appeared in the LSCC publication. Here's the link to it http://www.coinworld.com/news/seate...-silver.html

As for finding one of these half dollars to buy--good luck I imagine they are tightly held. In the longer LSCC article, it said about a dozen are known; one is held in the Massachusetts Historical Society.

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 Posted 08/07/2014  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list
Let me correct the person who said that Knights Templar and Mason's are two different groups...

You are wrong sir.
You cannot be a Knights Templar unless you are a FreeMason.
a Knight Templar is the highest order of the York Rite, which along with the Scottish Rite, are part of Free Masonry.

Take it from one who knows.

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 Posted 08/07/2014  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add a1nb2p to your friends list
MV - Thanks. I do know that John's is on hold. Len's article in the E-Gobrecht was very informative.

I figured that the OP was long gone, as those were his only two posts - but figured it was worth a shot. Thanks.

Also... stampvirgin's explaination of the KT/AFAM relationship is 100% correct.

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 Posted 08/08/2014  06:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
Ha, meadowview, I was just going to say I bet if anyone has info on this coin, it would be John Kraljevich!

Cool coin and story, I missed it the first time, probably because I wasn't a member of CCF back then.
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 Posted 09/07/2017  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metacomet to your friends list
I still have the coin but not a lot of new information. A numismatic article or two pops up every couple years with a little more info.

If these articles are correct, there are around 6-12 known examples. An AU-50 sold at auction in 2015. Another was recently graded an AU-53 by PCGS.

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...view/1-1HOB1

I recently looked into getting it graded by PCGS but like I mentioned before, I'm not collector and know very little about coins. After looking into sending it in, attempting to fill out the forms was very intimidating and confusing to say the least! I'm definitely going to need help from someone that knows what they are doing. Any advice o where to go from here would be highly appreciated.
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 Posted 09/07/2017  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add a1nb2p to your friends list
Hi,

Thanks for the update on the Masonic Half.

I think the population numbers often quoted (6-12) are a little on the low side. I own several of them, you have 1, the Mass Historical Society has 1 - that accounts for 50%-100% of the supposed population and I just find that hard to believe, and have conversed with John Kraljevich several times, who also felt the population figures were a little low. It is still a rare piece, no doubt.

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 Posted 09/07/2017  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
I rescued the dead PB image...

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 Posted 09/07/2017  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pickwickjr to your friends list
You can go on the lscc forum to look up Mario or myself for more help
You can pm us
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 Posted 09/07/2017  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list

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You can go on the lscc forum to look up Mario or myself for more help
You can pm us


@pickwickjr to CCF!

To CCF members, pickwickjr is a seated coin expert who joins us from the seated coin forum.
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 Posted 09/08/2017  06:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pickwickjr to your friends list
Thanks for the warm welcome Mike.
I lost your contact info, I sent you a pm on the lscc boards.
Thanks again Dan
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