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Repost Of Silver Eagles

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 Posted 11/18/2010  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppertop5150 to your friends list
When you look at it you have to ask ?

Why does a coin that was never circulated or minted proof have such wear on the dress and face of the coin?
Someone must have handled it quite a bit for that wear ?

why does it look so old ?

The first fakes were " 1906 " we all luaghed and said why would someone do that for ?
the coin was " aged " chemically and the die was made to show wear on the coin.

Someone bought a 2009 fake silver off ebay
http://reviews.ebay.com/Fake-Americ...000012836577

no telling how many others dates have been fakes also.

To make a fake of that coin would be very profitable and not a ket date people would not suspect it

Cost to make a nickle based silver plated fake might be 50cents if that

If they faker can get the base metal and plating to be the same as a orginal eagles weight
He could dump thousands onto the market in a few months
he would wholesale them at 10$ each then the wholesalers relist them

At 19$ each people would buy them by the roll

If they weighed the same only time they would get noticed is when someone sent them to a refinery to be melted

as far as the one you have a fake ?
http://ezinearticles.com/?Silver-Ea...l&id=1073377

the drop test would work,
drop a real eagle and see how it sounds then drop the one you suspect is fake see how it sounds

If you really wanted to you could pass it on to the u.s mint for investigation




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 Posted 11/18/2010  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppertop5150 to your friends list
its also hard to believe that a silver eagle could spend a few years in circulation to get that wear on the dress and face, wouldnt someone have pulled it out for being silver ? wouldnt someone have set it aside for being different?

A faker in china may not have know they were not coins made for circulation and tried to add wear to the coin to make it look more natural
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 Posted 11/18/2010  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppertop5150 to your friends list
the suns ray by the dress look strange very very weak, unless its just the pic

its only worth melt if its real being circulated, id let it set in some lemon juice and see what happens to the color
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 Posted 11/18/2010  01:37 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
May have been a pocket piece for a few years. Looks fine to me.
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 Posted 11/18/2010  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clairhardesty to your friends list
Here is an example of a pocket coin that was pristine five years ago.

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 Posted 11/18/2010  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list
coppertop, someone on the forum found an ASE in change, how could it not happen?
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11/18/2010 07:43 am
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 Posted 11/18/2010  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list

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Why does a coin that was never circulated or minted proof have such wear on the dress and face of the coin?

I don't see any wear on that coin, what I do see is patchy toning

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If they faker can get the base metal and plating to be the same as a original eagles weight

That is virtually impossible to do and keep the dimensions correct at the same time. The only other practical metal with an SG close to that of silver is lead and anyone who is a collector would never confuse a lead coin with a silver one.

I see absolutely nothing suspicious about this coin at all, it is just a common heavily toned Silver Eagle. As long as it weighs correct, then it is certainly genuine.
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 Posted 11/18/2010  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rh13 to your friends list
yes,,coppercoins,,,the resoloution has changed my complete problem almost,,thanks again
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 Posted 11/18/2010  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppertop5150 to your friends list
the wear that I was refering to was on the breast area,
look at the one above some one posted and the one he thinks is fake ,
the lower portion of the bust is worn off the lines in the dress at the bottom of the breast are gone,
looks like the fake one that came from china with little detail in the bottom of the breast bust area
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 Posted 11/19/2010  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rh13 to your friends list
The local coin shop payed 22.00$ apiece,so I suppose all is well.
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 Posted 11/19/2010  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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The local coin shop payed 22.00$ apiece,so I suppose all is well.



Most shops will pay very close to melt for ASE. These regularly trade at 10% over melt and current melt is $27.35.

In the future you would be well served to not take an offer that low.
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 Posted 11/20/2010  02:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rh13 to your friends list
I have really got to learn my math,,I know some about coins but no knowledge of current price and melt ect....where should I study to start to understand,,any links or advice?
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 Posted 11/20/2010  02:58 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
You can always check current spot pricing at Kitco online and there is some good reading on the Kitco website:

http://www.kitco.com/

Current retail pricing is available at American Precious Metals Exchange ( APMEX) website. APMEX also lists their "Buy" pricing for many items. There is a $1,000 minimum on sales to APMEX, but it provides a good frame of reference even if not selling to them.

http://apmex.com/

Lastly - keep reading online, here at CCF, and in books and periodicals you come across. We've all made some poor deals and that's part of how we learn. Keep an open mind and give yourself a break.

Good Luck!
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 Posted 11/20/2010  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
Heres another handy site.

http://www. (124) This link is not allowed by the Staff .com/silver_coin_values.html
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 Posted 11/23/2010  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list
Hey gang, if you want to go to APMEX, just use the CCF link at the top of your page. That way the forum will get credit for us using our sponsors.
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