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Speared Bison Prices: Rare Coin I Guess

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 Posted 08/27/2006  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gusp to your friends list
WOW. All this money for a die crack? Is that what this tough Buff is? If so, Any guesses as to How much my Anacs MS66 1944s Full steps Dollar Sign silver War Nickel is worth? The crack runs thru the exact middle of the S. mintmark. It starts from top of rim, thru left serif of U in united, down thru the exact middle of the S mintmark above Montecello,(slightly ne to sw), all the way thru the buildings 2nd pillar to the bottom of rim between t and e of states. Die must have broke in half shortly after. Aint a buff, but it is 62 yrs old and certified (10 yrs. ago). Also is DDO @ brt of lib and T of states. Coin seems to say $. How much for the Buff? Wow. Thanx. Have fun and enjoy. Gusp
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 Posted 08/27/2006  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list
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Originally posted by gusp

WOW. All this money for a die crack? IThanx. Have fun and enjoy. Gusp



This Speared Bison is a very Large Die Gouge which is quite different from a die crack.

Very Rare and quite impressive to look at.

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08/27/2006 5:04 pm
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 Posted 08/27/2006  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gusp to your friends list
Excellent. So it is in the die? Is this a messed up die from the beginning of its life, or did something damage and gouge die after production began? So, Which is more rare? A die that gets gouged damage, or one that cracks and breaks in half? Kinda like cousins I guess. Both are die damaged. Cool enough either way. Thanx. Gusp
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 Posted 08/27/2006  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list
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Originally posted by gusp

Excellent. So it is in the die? Is this a messed up die from the beginning of its life, or did something damage and gouge die after production began? So, Which is more rare? A die that gets gouged damage, or one that cracks and breaks in half? Kinda like cousins I guess. Both are die damaged. Cool enough either way. Thanx. Gusp




Yes the die got gouged somehow and it (the error) is in the die. Very Rare for this size gouge.

A die crack is an error but it is also very common. Not that rare. Unless the die breaks in half and only half a die is present, thus half a strike with a huge Cud on the other side, well that would be worth some cash and a very nice error. If the crack runs all the way through the coin and the design is still on both sides then you have a very nice die crack error that carries some kinda of premium ( not huge).

Good luck
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 Posted 08/27/2006  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gusp to your friends list
Indeed most die cracks are pretty plain and common and add little if any value short of a major 1/2 coin Cud as mentioned. However when they enhance the character of a coin then maybe that is not the case. Turning an S the size of the mintmarks used on War Nickels into a perfect Dollar sign would probably add quite a bit to the value of a coin. It says Money! Especially when well centered and strong enough to see with unaided eye. It is rare enough as to the fact that the die broke down the middle completely in half when still striking full steps. Things start getting interesting. This particular nickel is not the nickel shown in the rpm book (not yet as to my knowledge). That listed dollar sign S nickel (1942S)? is not well centered and is slightly offset to the left inside the S. This one is perfect $.
Die gouges happen as well and I doubt that most would carry the kinds of premiums found on the modern bisons. The fact that it clearly spears the bison is what makes it so dramatic and interesting. It certainly adds to its character in light of it being a Bison and all. But, it is, after all, only a gouge damaged die coin. A very cool one to be sure. P.S. Is gouge the result of a Rev. die clash? Gusp
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 Posted 08/27/2006  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fengk to your friends list
Wow...weren't these going for around $300 a month or two ago? Will this be just another fad or is this actually quite a rarity?
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 Posted 08/27/2006  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list
The die was damaged prior to being installed in the press or as it was being installed. I don't think they will ever know for sure but, none the less, it is quite rare to see such a gouge in modern times. Die cracks are due to wear and they do happen all the times as dies are under extreme pressure while in use. Some last longer than others before finally coming apart. I must assume the spear may have eventually wore down while the die was being used and that contributed to the low amount of readily visible speared buffalos being found?
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 Posted 08/27/2006  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
Hey Gusp

If you get a chance check out my thread in the error forum ,,titles Die cracks are cool,, its also a S mint War Nickel with a dollar sign die crack !! If I remember right it is a 44 also.

Let me know if it is the same as yours ?

Rick
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 Posted 08/27/2006  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gusp to your friends list
How do I access these threads directly? Would like to see 44S coin. Had this one 20+ yrs. I like the speared bison. It be way cool, but at 4500.00+ for a 65? EYOW. Gotta wonder how many are really still in hiding. Probably still a good solid play. Way popular coins. Right from get go and smart move by mint. I like a bit of age to my coins. But, then again I am a bit aged also. Prefer to buy moderns in Gem+ full strike...Jeffs, Roosies, Bens, ect. I collect DDO, DDR, Overdates, and OMM. ect. They tend toward scarce, and Rare in high grade VVEDS. Would like to have bought a Stuck Buff a while back tho. Prices are smoking HOT. Good luck to all. Gusp
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 Posted 08/27/2006  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
Hi Gusp

From the all forums page select error variety coins forum, the threads are all inside just like this one.

Rick
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 Posted 08/29/2006  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buffaloboy5 to your friends list
Hey Errorcoins can you post a pic for me I always wanted to see a double horned buffalo so I can start the search for my own
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 Posted 08/29/2006  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list
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Originally posted by Buffaloboy5

Hey Errorcoins can you post a pic for me I always wanted to see a double horned buffalo so I can start the search for my own



here ya go sry its so small got to reshoot w my new camera.

this is on the D coin from B/W bank rolls and is a diecrack that turn into a die chip with still a long die crack into the head of the bison....very cool... a great error.



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 Posted 08/29/2006  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buffaloboy5 to your friends list
Is that small imperfection between the E and the R the second horn and what mintmark would find the two horned buffalo
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 Posted 08/29/2006  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list
Buffaloboy this is a D mintmark. Yes that's the error. Wish I could post larger photos but this site limits the size.

Die cracks and chips are very common errors.

What is so unique about this one is the exact placement of the errors and the very low mintage of this variety.

I like it but some here have other opinions, to each his own.

PS I very much doubt that you will find any of these because of their low mintage and how that date got all bought up.

Good luck though.
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08/29/2006 3:36 pm
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 Posted 08/29/2006  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tpatna to your friends list
I see the double horn for auction and they are selling for about $9.99 to $15.00. Do you really think this could be a sleeper error?
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