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1921 Peace VAM Or Double Die?

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 Posted 12/12/2010  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add youin to your friends list
Here are the pictures of the obverse and reverse.


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 Posted 12/12/2010  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add youin to your friends list
Just wondering, how common is the doubling and does it increase or decrease the value?
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 Posted 12/12/2010  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list
Strike Doubling is a detractor for most. It is some what common on many Peace dollars
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 Posted 12/12/2010  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list
Are you pretty good with Peace dollars Russ? I think Remmy is, but he doesn't come around here much anymore.

I will try to blow the pictures up and see if anything jumps out.
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 Posted 12/12/2010  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list
The Vam-3 is the only one that is in the top 100 or 50. There are few Vams in the 1921 Peace dollars as few where struck. This one is not the "3"
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 Posted 12/12/2010  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list
Yeah, I used to have quite a few of the VAM 3, and I agree, this isn't it.
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 Posted 12/12/2010  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list
I don't really see anything that would identify it as anything other than vam-1....Are there any small raised lines or marks on the coin anywhere, that are not obviously part of the design?

Very nice coin by the way....1921 is my favorite year because of the higher relief of the design.
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 Posted 12/12/2010  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Makes me wonder if they experimented with double-striking this one, to bring out the relief.
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 Posted 12/12/2010  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list

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Makes me wonder if they experimented with double-striking this one, to bring out the relief.


Did you forget to add the smiley face, or are you serious Dave?
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 Posted 12/12/2010  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I'm serious. Not because of this coin, excepting that it got me on a fresh line of thinking about what they might or might not have done to make this high-relief design strike up. Not only were they tough to strike, they were breaking dies to do it. One of the (small, but present) possibilities for a solution would be a double strike at reduced pressure to make it easier on the die.

It's just a wild thought, though. Consider that the entire mintage of just over a million 1921 Peace dollars was struck in 72 hours between December 29-31, 1921; they must have been scrambling. They did have time to strike a few Proofs, though, and it took 5 days from the final approval of the design on December 24 to get dies into production. I just wonder if they experimented with processes using some of the earlier dies while awaiting a sufficient quantity to go into full production.

Yes, this one looks like Machine Doubling, even though the shift is large enough for me to wonder what else was going on in the course of that strike. Press tolerances were far too tight for anything to shift that far.
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I think about wild stuff like that too Dave, but in order to strike each coin twice, the press would demand substantial modification....the secondary gearing that lifts and lowers both dies and controls movement of the feeder would necessarily require alteration to synchronize at a totally different timing rate....far easier, (I would think) to revise the master hub (or at least working hubs) to a lesser relief.
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 Posted 12/12/2010  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Yeah, reality has a way of deflating even the most delicious of fantasies.
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Yeah, that darn reality thing incessantly gets in the way of my leading a very charmed life, and I am getting really tired of it.
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 Posted 12/12/2010  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list
couldn't we just bash it with a sledgematic and by pass all the set and revision labor?
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 Posted 12/12/2010  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list
That would take us back to hammered coins, and you would probably lose many of your beloved clashed letters (as far as reality is concerned anyway).....but then, I am beginning to get into this vammming thing as I am catching on a little bit to the notion that reality is over rated anyway.
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