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Valued Member
United States
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My Heroine, Thanks Zee. The Bill Collector
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Valued Member
United States
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stamina,
Take all of this with a grain of salt. make a post with the difference between a premiere and prestige sets and you will see the difference in opinions which should not be opinions at all but facts. Alot of people want to be experts but few are willing to do what it takes to be one. In the area of coins, I am a newby, but challenge me in the area of other things and we shall see
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New Member
 United States
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Zeewool, Don't take this to bad, I have a question for you, do you know what a printing blanket is, or maybe an impression cylinder?
If you knew the answer to either of those you would know how stupid your answer makes you look.
When a bill goes through a printing press the printing plate is inked by rollers, then offset to a rubber blanket in the form of a negitive image. The paper is then rolled through between the blanket & Impression clylinder ofsetting the image to the paper. if the corner is folded, the impression/ink is not offset to the paper but the impression cylinder. As the next sheet comes through it is printed on the one side as it would normally be, HOWEVER what was on the cylinder is printed on the underside of that sheet! hence the ink on the next sheet or smoking gun.
LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT PRINTING BEFORE YOU CLAIM ME TO BE A FRAUD!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Staminaboy,
Maybe you need to learn something before going off on someone all half-cocked. You just described an offset printing process which is fine and dandy but you have a profound misunderstanding of the situation because the BEP only uses offset printing for the recently redesigned notes with multiple colors. All $1s and $2s are fully printed by the Intaglio process.
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Valued Member
Guatemala
357 Posts |
Stamina, With all due respect, your anger would seem to be rather misplaced. The process you describe for printing currency is, frankly, wrong. Perhaps you should read this, Quote: Currency production Plate capacity on power presses increased from four to eight notes per sheet in 1918 in order to meet greatly expanded production requirements related to World War I. With the dramatic redesign of currency in 1929 -- the first major change since paper currency was first issued in 1861 -- note design was not only standardized but note size was also significantly reduced. Due to this reduction in size, the Bureau was able to convert from eight-note printing plates to twelve-note plates. The redesign effort came about for several reasons, chief among them a reduction in paper costs and improved counterfeit deterrence through better public recognition of currency features. A further increase in the number of notes per sheet was realized in 1952 after breakthrough developments in the production of non-offset inks. Beginning in 1943, the B.E.P. experimented with new inks that dried faster, therefore obviating the need to place tissues between sheets to prevent ink from offsetting to other sheets. The faster drying ink also enabled printed sheets of backs to be kept damp until the faces were printed, thereby reducing distortion caused by wetting, drying, and re-wetting of the paper (sheets needed to be dampened before each printing). By reducing the distortion that increases proportionally with the size of the sheet of paper, the Bureau was able to convert from 12-note printing plates to plates capable of printing 18 notes in 1952. Five years later in 1957, the Bureau began printing currency via the dry intaglio method that utilizes special paper and non-offset inks, enabling a further increase from 18 to 32 notes per sheet. Since 1968, all currency has been printed by means of the dry intaglio process, whereby wetting of the paper prior to printing is unnecessary. Currency has since been printed primarily by the intaglio method, whereby fine-line engravings are transferred to steel plates from which an impression is made on sheets of distinctive paper. Ink is applied to the plates -- each plate containing 32 note impressions -- and then wiped clean, leaving ink in the engraved lines. The plate is pressed against the sheet of paper with such pressure as to actually press the paper into the lines of the plate to pick up the ink. Both faces and backs are printed in this manner, the backs being produced first. After the faces are printed, the sheets are then typographically overprinted with Treasury Seals and serial numbers. Taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau...and_PrintingI've generally found zeewool's answers to be well thought out and concise. He/she seems to understand the intaglio printing process well.
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New Member
 United States
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Zeewool, her is a link to a diagram of a printing press. As you can see, if the corner is folded over as the first sheet comes through the part of the image that should transfered to the paper is transfered to the impression cylinder. Then when the next sheet without a folded corner comes through the ink that is on the impression cylinder is offset to the underside of that next sheet. The ink will become lighter and lighter as each sheet takes away the ink that shouldn't be on the impression cylinder, Hence the statement regarding the first offset as proven by the serial number. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgURL="http://www.printoutlet.us/4_color/o...&imgrefURL="http://www.printoutlet.us/offset.ph...-WsgOx6NmhCg
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Locked
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Did you not read any of the posts after your know it all hissy fit? Your bills were printed with an Intaglio process. Not an offset printing press.
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Pillar of the Community
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640,000 backs are printed with green ink only, before any faces are printed..... this lone note does not wait until just the right moment to draw green ink to its face, after all, the press is only set up with black ink in this stage of printing the faces. Out of the run of 640,000 notes, should the other 20,000 notes that share this plate position also have the green ink on the face in the same place?
Although I do not know, I would imagine it to be logical that separate presses might be used for the printing of the backs and faces to preserve the integrity of ink color and plate set up if nothing else.
Some folks can hold onto something for decades believing that it is one thing, when in fact it isn't..... I did not call you a fraud, I said that the note was bogus, but you seem to take this all too personally......
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Valued Member
Guatemala
357 Posts |
I couldn't find any 'diagram' in the link(s) he provided. I find myself wondering if he's shilling for a cheap printing company, or something...
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New Member
 United States
7 Posts |
The question I have is, does the intaglio process use a backing plate/cylinder?
If it does then it is the same precess just a flat plate V cylinder. The image is transfer to the backing plate/cylinder then offset to the underside of paper at the same time as the upperside is printed.
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Forum Dad
 United States
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In the intaglio printing process, ink is applied to a plate so that it remains only in the engraved areas. Paper is then laid atop the plate, and the two are pressed together under great pressure. As a result, the ink from the recessed areas is pulled onto paper, creating a finished image.
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Pillar of the Community
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Exactly as Bobby explains..... These intaglio plates are arranged into a formation of four across and eight down (32 flat plates, no cylinders)..... If I were not so "stupid", I would explain the entire process to you as the BEP does not resemble a neighborhood print shop....I highly doubt that you will find diagrams of the BEP's Giori press on the internet.
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Pillar of the Community
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: the BEP does not resemble a neighborhood print shop....I highly doubt that you will find diagrams of the BEP's Giori press on the internet.
LOL, you will definitely not find one of them at your local Kinko's Currently, the BEP is implementing the latest Intaglio printing technology called the Super Orlof Intaglio (SOI) press which could help the BEP move from a 32-subject production process to a 50-subject environment. Like the I-10 presses in Back Intaglio, the two SOI presses print 10,000 sheets per hour and are currently printing 32-subject sheets but have only three printing plates instead of four. The presses are 40 feet long, 11.5 feet wide and 13.75 feet high, weighing in at just a mere 50 tons. Most astounding is that these mammoth presses have 185,634 total parts! In the future, because of their 50-subject printing capability, they could increase productivity by 56% by increasing the notes printed per hour from 320,000 to 500,000! These presses also have a better integrated inspection system with ten times the resolution of the older presses, have the capability of printing one additional color, and have a more precise ink control which helps save costs by reducing ink usage. The SOIs also feature a four-pile delivery system versus a two-pile on the older I-10's which reduces spoilage by having less weight (pressure) on the bottom sheets of each pile. http://www.moneyfactory.gov/uscurre...process.html
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Pillar of the Community
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Yes, I have heard of it bio.... I like to call it the Congressional Inflation Press (CIP)..... we need something that can keep up with the rate at which Congress spends money.... (we are probably gonna need a whole bunch of them too).
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