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Unslabbed Morgan Proof?

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 Posted 02/07/2011  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
yeah I have heard about their photography skills from quite a few different people that have ordered coins from them. They always have allot of nice ungraded coins for sale and they all usually bring pretty high prices because of their photography skills. I don't know if anyone has ever gotten a cleaned coin when it was supposed to be problem free but they have mostly said it didn't look quite as good in hand as it did in the pictures
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 Posted 02/07/2011  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
Yeah it probably isn't cleaned but dark/ugly toning would not surprise me they can take a jet black coin and make it look bright silver and booming with color
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 Posted 02/07/2011  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jokingjoker to your friends list

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Is there such a thing?


Yes, they have 5 listed at this moment and at least 1 a week. I have never bought from them, but like most, I haven't heard good things.



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 Posted 02/07/2011  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bryan1234 to your friends list
another reason to buy any rare coin graded, after hearing from various people and as stated above as well I wouldnt buy from them
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 Posted 02/07/2011  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidZerbato to your friends list
I would be wary. I bought a MS red 1902 IHC from them and it ended up having an altered color so I was obviously disappointed. I haven't looked at their coins since. I've heard similar things from others, but they must make some people happy as they sell a ton of coins.
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 Posted 02/07/2011  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
His photography is definitely enhanced. Never bought from them, and won't.
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 Posted 02/07/2011  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list
These kind of coins are best purchased when they are graded by a respected third party grader such as PCGS, NGC and ANACS. Even then, care should be taken as to authenticity.
I would never purchase a higher dollar coin raw unless I was certain what I was purchasing, sure of the grade and even then I would be very cautious.
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 Posted 02/08/2011  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list
I can only emphasize OZ's comment, why buy a coin in this condition when not graded by a
TPG.. Its an obviously high dollar value...BUT....There pre-emptive is the masses want RAW coins.....supposedly so you can get a great deal by buying there enhanced photo's implying a better grade for less money....
with there no questions asked return policy... how can any one rebuke them for continuing to re-list the same gorgeous coins over and over, as they have been returned... but will receive positive feed back.. for the returned coins...
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 Posted 02/08/2011  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list
Can the average Joe tell the difference between a nice business strike and a proof? Even in hand? There is a very good reason why these things are not already in TPG holders (and it isn't because the masses want raw coins)...... How fast can you get this coin to a TPG and back? Within the 10 calendar day "no questions asked return policy" parameters? How much would you have to spend trying to do that?
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 Posted 02/08/2011  12:39 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
ANY proof Morgan dollar should be slabbed. They are quite scarce and should be authenticated, especially with all the sleaze coming out of China.
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 Posted 02/08/2011  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3stooges to your friends list
Never buy an unslabbed four-figure coin unless it's gold priced near melt.
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 Posted 02/08/2011  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list
Well the auction ended yesterday. Thirty bids at $3,055.65. Hope he got what he paid for.
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 Posted 02/08/2011  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list
I would not be surprised to see this coin up for sale in the very near future....I have this happen many a time with these folks's coins..
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 Posted 02/09/2011  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add magicalmke to your friends list
I recently bought a large cent and a walker from him. Both appear as described and were at a reasonable price. Only knock is that the large cent's picture showed some mint luster but the piece is brown. As a f/vf piece I'm ok with that, but definitely shows some photoshop is happening. I'm using this as a way to fill my type collection and learn about grading (see if the TPG comes close to mine). I've always wondered where he gets the quantity of rarity and quality from, with ms barbers and rare proofs. I was really hesitant about the more expensive items since he almost never has them graded. Thanks to this thread it now makes sense.
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 Posted 02/09/2011  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
Using the "enhanced" photos is a good tactic for them since they can charge a slight premium for the coin and, when delivered, most people will just shrug, accept that it doesn't look exactly like the picture, and give the standard "good transaction" type feedback.

I guess it is OK so long as they have a return policy I mean really it is just good marketing if a bit deceptive. Food companies do it all the time the burger you get at BK in no way resembles any of the marketing materials.
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