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 Posted 03/23/2011  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brokencompass to your friends list
@Go: There are no other TPG's in other countries either. I guess we have no other choice but to stick with American TPG's that don't bother with Foreign coins :P
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 Posted 03/23/2011  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
I could see where everyone saying the scratches and marks are a problem if it were graded MS-65 or higher but MS-61? Come on! The lowest a Uncirculated coin can be graded is MS-60 and that can be so scratched up its crazy, so as long as it didn't circulate, scratches can't keep a coin from grading MS-60. This coin is graded 1 point higher and has hits and scratches, so what its a MS-61, that is what you should expect from a MS-61 coin
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 Posted 03/24/2011  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add boatman to your friends list
Also Look the Seller has a 100 5 Score On E-Bay
That Is Something Else I Look At
Look At The Comment

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 Posted 03/28/2011  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brokencompass to your friends list
@Bryan : I understand what you are trying to say about circulation but how can one find the difference between scratches that were caused due to circuation and scratches caused otherwise?
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 Posted 03/28/2011  12:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
A coin can be scuffed up but if the luster is unbroken, it is still an MS coin. If the scratches are accompanied by corresponding breaks in luster, then the coin has been circulated and can only attain a max grade of AU. This coin does appear to have rather grainy fields which can make it look circulated. However, the protected fields on the reverse have the exact same look and there is abundant luster on both sides. Absent noticeable wear, the only chance for that to happen is that the dies were left with a rough surface before use which was then transferred to all coin struck by those dies.
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 Posted 05/29/2011  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junior e to your friends list
I bought a 1929 Indian Quarter Eagle from a large coin dealer that specializes in Pre 33 gold. I bought it because it was NGC MS 61 andI was looking for a fairly beautiful coin but perfection was not my goal. When I had the coin in hand there was a slice from the edge of the obverse that cut across both sides of the Indian's chin. AppArently low grade MS coins can have some pretty large war wounds as long as the luster isn't broken. Luckily it was a very reputable dealer and they returned my money immediately upon receipt of the returned coin.
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 Posted 05/29/2011  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Anarchus to your friends list
some of the scratches could be on the holder...
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 Posted 05/30/2011  02:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
brokencompass, as was stated above it is the luster you look at. If it is unbroken then they say it didn't circulate (at least with US coins anyway). Business strike coins were not handled very carefully and just thrown in bags that create marks on the coins not only by the other coins hitting it but also the cloth bags themselves rubbing against it. If a coin has a small break in luster in places they call the coin Almost Uncirculated but in all reality a coin could have probably circulated for a little while and still be called a Uncirculated coin if it wasn't handled very rough
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 Posted 06/05/2011  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add michaeln1306 to your friends list
Definitely looks like someone took a scrub brush to it unless its a really scratched up slab. Wonder why the seller didnt post any pics of the whole slab.......trying to get away with somethimg maybe
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 Posted 06/07/2011  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list
brokencompass:
A quick way to distinguish hairlines caused by contact from those caused by rubbing is to look for a pattern. The former should be mostly random, but the later will usually have a noticeable pattern, often in a circular motion.
As for the coin in question - I think it may have been struck from a greasy or dirty die, because some of the "grainy" areas are in small spaces that would not typically be affected by contact or rubbing. This is especially evident on the reverse, towards the bottom left. It also looks like while some of the fields in these tight spaces have a grainy appearance, the features struck in relief around them do not. This leads me to believe that the actual hairlines on the coin are much fewer than some people responding may think. It's not possible to be completely sure from looking at pictures like this shot with flash though.
Personally, if I was looking at it as a raw coin I would be considering the price based on a net AU grade coin, and certainly not a "choice" example of it.
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06/07/2011 12:47 am
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 Posted 06/23/2011  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amassey08873 to your friends list
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies...rstamps.html
Note: Coins minted before 1980 must show the full front and back of the holder. Coins minted in 1980 or after must show the full front of the holder.
They should have a full pic of holder, maybe hiding something? Although I see people violating this rule all the time.
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 Posted 06/23/2011  03:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list
I was selling a 1917-S SQL in ANACS AU-53. The last 5 hours of the sale, someone turned me in for NOT showing the reverse of the slab. The sale saw canceled and I had to relist. The only good thing is that I relisted at 30% MORE than the final bid and SOLD it!

I looked at others and can see that ebay doesn't care if you sell lots of coins, they don't care if you show the reverse of the slab. I reported 4 "Top Sellers" and never even got an answer from ebay as to why my sale was pulled but top sellers with 25 to 100 coins that don't show the reverse as required were allowed to continue.

*sigh* I'm just glad I was able to get more than my first listing. The buyer LOVED the coin and said he thought it was under graded and looked like a Full Head, that was not listed on the slab.

I wonder how seller can cover the top of the reverse with a sticker and still comply with ebay rules. I'll never report a user for a violation like this again, because ebay doesn't care.
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 Posted 06/23/2011  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list

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I looked at others and can see that ebay doesn't care if you sell lots of coins, they don't care if you show the reverse of the slab. I reported 4 "Top Sellers" and never even got an answer from ebay as to why my sale was pulled but top sellers with 25 to 100 coins that don't show the reverse as required were allowed to continue.


How did you report it? If you did not use the official coin auction reporting link, then it is not surprising that nothing was done. It also helps to cite the specific rule being violated, ebay customer service cannot always tell if a coin is in violation unless it is breaking a general ebay rule as opposed to a coin-specific rule. "Spoonfeeding" usually gives pretty good results, I have had many auctions pulled in a matter of 2-3 hours when properly reported.
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 Posted 06/23/2011  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list
No, it was just before I joined the CCF. I would have loved to use the reporting link. The currenct ebay way of reporting a seller is not very good or user friendly. It seemed like every time I tried to use it, I didn't find exactly what I needed.

As for the Offical coin reporting link found here, perfect.
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 Posted 06/23/2011  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasinva69 to your friends list
well nobody bid on it so maybe they agreed with you.
I would have no hesitation buying this for around $40.

P.S. I didn't notice this thread was three months old.

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06/23/2011 10:45 am
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