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1943 50 Cent Double Die Clash

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 Posted 03/24/2011  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add west- canuk to your friends list
Yes, I'm collecting Geo VI halves, with the price of silver moving up some nice halves are showing up in the dealer's bullion bins. Seems like '43 was a good year for d/clashes, d/cracks, and date varieties.

The obverse has some die clash marks under the chin, back of the neck, bridge of the nose and crown of the head. But since this is only a VF these marks are not that clear and I don't see any signs of double clashes on the Obv.

Still learning how to upload images (explains the pic I took) and can't seem to get the full picture downsized to upload. The original pic was about 640 kb and had to crop it with Paint. Took the original with Optex 200X digital magnifier.
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 Posted 03/24/2011  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list
you reduce the image quality to around 70% as a jpeg in order to get the size down or use a hosting service and the forum software IMG tags to host a larger picture elsewhere at a free image hosting site.

I have a lot of these fifty cent pieces, a lot of rolls of them actually I've just started going through and the variety and errors are endless. I have to wonder if they were all drunk or something by the time they got to the fifty cent lines... hehehhee long martini lunches at the mint..
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 Posted 03/28/2011  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add west- canuk to your friends list
OK,za75 , here is the full reverse @ 75% of size(thankyou Ugly).

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 Posted 03/28/2011  03:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commoncents13 to your friends list
-west-canuk- That's a very nice example of the 1943 Wide date, far 3! Nice job with the picture, very nice double die clash!
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 Posted 04/02/2011  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add west- canuk to your friends list
commoncents, I thought this was a near 3. Did one of the Charlton catalogue years have a back section that dealt with half dollars like the 2010 deals with silver 5 cents ?
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 Posted 04/02/2011  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list
Good job on the photo.

Looks like a near 3 to me, what throws people off is that the vertical and/or horizontal alignment changes vs the book examples on the three as there are many, many minor varieties. But overall it's a ND.

Close up the area on WC's coin



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04/02/2011 10:41 pm
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 Posted 04/09/2011  05:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commoncents13 to your friends list
---west-canuk- No conjecture! There are only three 43!
---Looking at the 2011 Charlton! Well I'm going to go by the book as that is our guide and if you look closely there are 3 points that tell me that this is a (WD-FAR 3)1943 50 cent;
---1- The bottom tale of the 3 is clearly pointed bellow the bottom of the 4 compared to the (narrow/near) which is pointed to.
---2- The bottom end of the back side of the 3 is touching the blades of grass were the near is farther and has more space.
---3- The hoof is pointed a little bellow the center of the middle curve of the back side of the 3 as opposed to the near which clearly points slightly above center.

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04/09/2011 05:52 am
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 Posted 04/09/2011  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pginrh to your friends list
Since the last two digits on most 1940's era (except for 1940)George VI Fifty Cents are usually entered on a per Die basis, there are many different configutations for the 4 and the 3 on the 1943 George VI Fifty Cent coins (over a 100 Dies used). The Charlton catalog only provides a representative Wide and Narrow Date. There are also more than twenty different 3/3 double punches for 1943 and the 1943 Doubled Die that ICCS has been putting on some of their gradings is actually a 3/3/3 (triple punch).
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04/09/2011 08:00 am
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 Posted 04/09/2011  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list
I'm totally with pginrh.

Many, many versions of these dates. Charletons is a limited resource where you have more than a handful of anything but even they mention this fact.


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 Posted 04/09/2011  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pginrh to your friends list
Ugly... Please send me an E-Mail... I cannot yet use the CCF Site E-Mail service.
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 Posted 04/09/2011  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list
pginrh, no one can email you until you have fifty quality posts unfortunately. If you are on another forum let me know which one.
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 Posted 04/09/2011  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add west- canuk to your friends list
Good points everyone. I was basing my call on the distance from the top of the 3 to the top of the four, but it's not all black and white since there are so many variations on each variety.
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I have seen reference to a MD (mid or medium) based on a vertical line across the 3 and how much of the 4 intersects that line. Check out http://www.calgarycoin.com/modern/cd50cent.htm
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 Posted 04/10/2011  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list
Yeah I don't use that site because they want your phone number to register and while some here may have my phone number, I decide who I want calling me. The discussion design format is something out of a package from Microsoft Frontage and I can't take that either. So, they want to infringe my privacy and drive me nuts with poor technology all at once. This is a shame because I see a wealth of knowledge there but some things I just can't abide by.

If you really want to contact me, search for whitesauctions in Ontario and send an email to the address on the contact us page there, it's a family member and they will pass the contact on to me.

Cheers
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 Posted 04/10/2011  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pginrh to your friends list
OK Ugly I understand.... maybe after I make a bunch more meaningful updates, but it may take a while as George VI Fifty Cents are not a real common topic for discussion. I have compiled a listing of the the different varieties for that series and thought you might be interested.... maybe later.
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 Posted 04/10/2011  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list
Absolutely interested, it's a topic we spent a lot of years on in our group of friends. I'm even now pulling out rolls of 40s/50s I had never opened but acquired in the 70s/80s. They are charming because they are affordable and offer a lot of amusement.
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