1994 Class V Doubled Die Reverse Cddr-003 WDDR-003

well I do agree with maineman ,
It's not a big one like the obvious 55 ,68-s, 69-s, 72 , 84 doubled ear, 95 liberty or something with huge spread.

But That mint mark being doubled is very nice , but in reality the mint mark is very small for someone spot searching with out some magnification to just say looks like Machine Doubling and not give it a second look.

BUT THAT MEANS IT COULD BE HARD TO SPOT AND FIND , hence a increased price to a collector.

I think the way to establish a realistic value ?
would be to find the die markers for that reverse learn how many coins might have been minted before that die was retired to get a good guess at how many might have minted.
Thats something coppercoins would prob know or atleast know how to find out

That's just it- I have no idea how findable it is. I wasn't familiar with it until recently. I'm really looking forward to hearing if other people come across this one and how frequently. Significant or not, I've got additional customers who want an example, the demand is exceeding my own supply.

Cool question Scoob, I like this subject. In some cases die states can help ascertain approximate populations, but never in finite numbers, there's just no way to count or account for every example unless you can count them on your hands and feet.

The coin looked like it came from a relatively fresh die, I have seen photos of the same variety where the crispness of separation isn't there and it's a bit less remarkable. I don't have the coins in hand anymore, so I can't give absolute assurance, but I'd be confident in suggesting it could have been EMDS (Early Middle Die State).

IF we could locate an example that shows heavy die wear or anything else that would indicate a full life die run, then we could make assumptions about the population minted. But we can only assume there's as many as the latest die state confirmed would have produced. What I mean is this- if the DDR was recognized at any time during production, it would have been pulled. So there's your lack of answer, I think we need more examples to surface before much can be surmised.

liveanddie,

If you know the die markers on the reverse, cant you look up how long it was used? Full die run ? or used and pulled for various reasons?

I've heard Chuck say plenty of times that they don't keep records of each die's mintage run or when they are retired. All they know is how many in total.

So, if this is another contest, I'll go with:
x 1972 DDO's and
y for 1917 DDO's.

Thanks!

ok guys I was not sure if die records were kept dates put into minting and taking out.

or were dies used in order like 1 was replaced by 2 then 2 replaced by 3 and so on.

Then if any markers were on a certain coin. Someone could say that die was used during the middle of minting and had a full run then thrown out are x amount of months and guess at how many coins it might have minted

I agree with you Wolf- IF there were a very late die state specimen located, one could logically conclude that the coin could have had a full die run. Don't quote me, but I think that's something like 1 to 1.25 Million cents, I could be off. Point being that there are no finite numbers kept by the mint in relation to specific dies.
In fact, when a doubled die is found, The Mint is usually surprised by the revalation. I remember when the 1995P DDO was discovered early in the year, USA Today noted that the Mint stated a doubled die wasn't possible because of their new hubbing process!

Let's say that this coin becomes a well publicized variety and the latest state known to exist is MDS. How do you judge with accuracy within hundreds of thousands? There are so many variables that go into die wear- One die has a quantity of clashes, a number of strikes of foreign objects like feeder fingers and is polished and refurbished several times to extend it's life. The die next to it has no issues at all and lives a long and happy Die Life. Both are going to reach a state that will be able to be identified as late die state, just before catastrophic failure. But die #1 may only produce half the quantity of what #2 did.

I hope that makes sense, but if you don't follow, it's probably my fault.

Heck yeah! Finding the stuff is luck + knowledge + experience. That why my life is a constant treasure hunt! I get to pick BU rolls, and there is absolutely no way to know what's going to pop up. Every bit as random as the everyday occurrences in the life of any die.