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Think about it Scooby- when you scrape any metal- it leaves a shiny mark. Now think about the feeder finger getting caught by the dies and being ripped out. What's left on the die is a "shiny" gash, which produces a mirror image on each coin it subsequently coins.
I'm not suggesting you should have known. But in my way of looking at the process, it's the only logical conclusion.
I've been wrong on numerous occasions and have always learned from the situation, so I hope if I'm incorrect that someone will say so.
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This is different, though. The whole area surrounding the gouges looks "polished". In between the finger damage (if that's what it is), around the finger damage. As if a whole section of coin were scraped off, then the feed finger damage occurred. I'm not trying to argue, just get my head around it. How many "fingers" are on a feeder anyway? These are really tight gouges.
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Only one finger Scooby, and I'll show it to you if we ever meet! lol
It's simply a piece of metal that grasps the planchet and places it between the dies. Don't imagine a hand, it's just a "grabbing" tool, that handles the planchet. If it's caught in between the dies and ripped out, it'll leave a gash on the die, that's what you're seeing, the scrape from the metal feeder.
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Feeder Finger Die Scrapes (FFDS? No, let's not do that!) like yours are very dramatic looking, there may not be a strong market for them now, but I think they'll develop a strong following. I'm socking them away myself. Cool coin!
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Only one finger Scooby, and I'll show it to you if we ever meet!  OK - I know when to let it go. |
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No not at all man, I want to make sure you get what I'm trying to describe, in all seriousness.
I used to have some feeder fingers that were struck by token dies, super dramatic looking pieces, I wish I could photograph them to be more like Coop....an image would probably help in this situation.
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So at what stage of the process would the feeder damage occur ? Blank to planchet, planchet to press (pre punch) or any step in between ? Seeing as those marks are only in the fields they were either caused pre punch or a composition problem or there was a problem with the die at punch. Just curious as I hear this Feeder Finger Damage thing quite often. |
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I won't speculate, but I understand the basic mechanics of it. It would make sense that the feeder gets caught by the anvil die as the feeder is pulling away. But I couldn't say whether it's an instantaneous process that occurs in the blink of an eye, or if perhaps the feeder causes the dies to jam and then it's ripped away from between.
But, if this helps, of the feeder fingers (actual feeders, not coins) that I had that were struck by the die, there was a planchet struck INTO the finger, resting on top of it. The obverse was struck by the anvil die and the reverse of the token was an imprint of the bolt it came to rest on. Really wish I still had it to show.
I would hazard to assume that the FF damage that we see on dies, generally doesn't involve a planchet, as the steel of the finger is hard enough to cause a harsh scrape on the steel die, but not copper or zinc.
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I have zero expertise to comment on the detailed discussion on feeder fingers ... however ... My eyes say Great coin Scobby. Congrats on the find.  David |
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Actually, I see these fairly often and toss them back, unless they are really extreme. But, this is the first one that I've seen where there was a significant area scraped besides just gouges.
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Here is one of zeewool's pics:  Edited by Scooby Due
04/01/2011 7:20 pm
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If we ever get together Scoob, I will also show you the finger.  Edited by wolf-n-wa
04/01/2011 7:50 pm
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I wouldn't expect anything less from you Wolf. |
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Wolf-n- you're a trip! |
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