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 Posted 04/28/2011  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
Good comments on this issue, guys.

I did a bit of digging on the bullion bank issue and found some info on the following three web sites. I am sure that there is MUCH more info available but did not want to make a complete research project of this:

http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/the-run-...s-has/424880

http://www.ehow.com/facts_6824846_d...n-banks.html

http://www.gotgoldreport.com/2011/0...futures.html

Some interesting info here plus some spirited discussion in the last URL.

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 Posted 04/28/2011  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junior e to your friends list
JPMorgan and HSBC have both been suen for manipulating the silver market. I'll keep digging.
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 Posted 04/28/2011  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stewart to your friends list
Bill Murphy giving testimony of Silver market manipulation
at CFTC Hearing in March of 2010
Two Parts. I will look through my files to try to find
more information. Pay close attention he is forced to talk very quickly
to get what he can into the record in a small allotted amount of time.
The day of this hearing is the day I started Hard Core Stacking

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9bU0r6JP4s

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wIMpe9SjfQ
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04/28/2011 2:55 pm
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 Posted 04/28/2011  2:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
Great links and info guys, this should be much to cover tonight when I get back home from work....
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 Posted 04/28/2011  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spaceace to your friends list

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Short position like say buy a huge amount at $45 per oz and dump it at $75 per oz?



I think that is backwards. In order to short silver you are betting the price will decrease.

So in theory if I shorted your silver I would borrow it from you with the idea of paying you back the exact same amount of silver. I would take your silver and sell it for current price (let's say $47/oz) and then in 3 months (or whatever time frame you are dealing with) if the price went down to $40/oz then I could buy that same amount of silver back for you and pocket the $7/oz profit. However if the price went up to $51/oz then I would be getting hit with a loss of $4/oz.

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 Posted 04/28/2011  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stewart to your friends list
And after that testimony there comes this very shortly afterward
in which Jefferey Christian of the CPM Group confirmed that gold
is leveraged around 100:1 at a Commodities Futures Trade Commission (CFTC) Hearing on March 26, 2010.
This means that there are around 100 claims for each ounce of gold in existence and so not enough gold
to be delivered to everyone who has been promised paper gold.
Had to freak people out that thought they owned physical metal
with the purchase of those contracts
And people began demanding delivery of their metals. Which
when delivery time came means the seller either went onto the
open market to buy it or offered the customer a premium for
taking cash which being around 30-40% or more.
That has Gotta hurt the bottom line.

My thinking is once people learned of these incidents is when the
price for physical metal began to separate from paper metal
somewhat until you get to the point where we are today
and you have an 2 unprecedented events in my eyes occur.

1. APMEX sends an e-mail out stating that they are willing to
buy Silver at $3.00 over spot price
to me that is the price of physical silver versus spot being
paper metal
all I can say is wow to that
When a player such as APMEX is having a hard time filling orders
the metal is getting seriously hard to find in quantity.

2. Ben Bernacke The Chairman of the FED for the first time
is pressured to give a press conference to reassure the people
that everything is just fine. That alone scared the $#%@ out of me.
Reminds of of just before the crash of 08 when the hearings on the
hill were going on and we were hearing basically the same thing.
Now it is actually a press conference Holy Moly it must be getting
out of control in those hallowed halls of the Federal Reserve.

Now those big short players are starting to get squeezed because
they try like crazy to get the price to drop and panic silver buyers
to dump their silver in a panic driving it down lower and
it does not work when we all now what they are trying to do
And the world now just takes it as an opportunity to
buy on the dip.
Short sellers are now screaming that there is a Buy Side
Conspiracy to crash the short market
http://seekingalpha.com/article/265...r-conspiracy

When the whole world is now onto their DECADES LONG price suppression
scheme and every one just keeps buying. And will keep buying
until Silver finally finds it's own natural price.
Which in my opinion is much higher than where it is now.



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04/28/2011 5:10 pm
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 Posted 04/28/2011  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list
spacece is correct in his explanation for one type of shorting. They could use financial instruments to make the same bet without ownership or borrowing of the physical metal. It can be accomplished other ways too. In all cases the bet is on silver prices going down. Unlike going long in purchasing silver, in theory, the potential loss is unlimited when shorting.
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 Posted 04/28/2011  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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Short sellers are now screaming that there is a Buy Side Conspiracy to crash the short market - Stewart

Now THAT is hilarious! Aren't these the very same clowns who shorted more shares than existed in certain companies back in the 2008 crash? Why, yes, they are.


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When the whole world is now onto their DECADES LONG price suppression scheme and every one just keeps buying. And will keep buying until Silver finally finds it's own natural price. Which in my opinion is much higher than where it is now.




Pricing games have been played in the silver market for a long time now. I almost get the feeling that when a new version of the game is invented, we see a sudden and rapid rise in the price of silver as a sign that, "the game is afoot"! In between those times, we see silver behaving itself and selling at prices that seem reasonable.
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 Posted 04/28/2011  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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Unlike going long in purchasing silver, in theory, the potential loss is unlimited when shorting. - OneBowl

In order for that to occur, the price of the shorted item would have to be unlimited as well, for it is the rising price that creates the loss in a short position.

The fact is that VERY large (but not unlimited) losses can occur in a stock that is shorted and that just keeps rising. Shorts can then either cover their bets by giving their brokers more money to sustain their position or they can liquidate them and accept the loss at that point. Going long does have a downside limit and that is "0" in the price of the stock. Upside is also limited but only by common sense in most cases. In a few cases, the upside potential of a stock or commodity have been truly spectacular.

As an investor, I have never been on the short side. There are a lot of things I haven't done in investing and much of it has to do with the amount of risk involved. I try to limit that to an amount with which I can be comfortable and not be sweating all the time just thinking about my investments. That's no way to live, IMHO, but some people, like Jim Cramer, seem to thrive on it. Oh, well... to each their own.

As to gold and silver... yes, I also am on the long side of this investment. So far, so good!
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 Posted 04/29/2011  12:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add northwestseeker to your friends list
In this time the demand for silver for industrial use is at its all time high and we are not producing fast enough... and our economy is garbage.....
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 Posted 04/29/2011  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
I agree Northwestseeker and that is why silver is gonna keep going up eh, plus smarter holders of silver taking dips for buying chances and not selling the silver they have hoarded, adding to the shortage I think....
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04/29/2011 12:18 am
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 Posted 04/29/2011  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list
I dumped my 10% Mexican pesos. All xxx pounds of them. I never thought I would be able to get rid of them near melt. Smelters will not touch them. People are going nuts.
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 Posted 08/08/2011  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
WWA-

Just curious, how did you move your 10% Mex, and what price vs spot?
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 Posted 08/08/2011  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junior e to your friends list
Joe bought 'em.
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 Posted 08/08/2011  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
?

Joe?
Joe Momma?
Huh?
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