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High End Morgan Dollar.

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 Posted 04/27/2011  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GRR to your friends list
you can cross MS off your list. This coin is not MS. Still a nice coin. I think It's better than the xf 40's I've seen. Just looking at the ebay completed auctions, slabbed xf40's were in the 700-800 range, so I think if you got it graded, you'd be at least that good.
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 Posted 04/27/2011  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris12018 to your friends list
Nice coin. I'd say XF40
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 Posted 04/27/2011  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
I agree this coin is nowhere near "High End" and I think it possibly be XF-40. 1879-CC Morgans are one of the key dates but they are in no way rare in this condition and are highly counterfeited. in my opinion the only way you would get around $400.00 for this coin is if it was sent to PCGS for grading and then only if it came back problem free and graded as XF-40. This coin would not even be considered High end but is still worth multiple thousands
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Usually when people say high end they mean MS-65 or above, or at least in the upper grades that have ever been found for that particular date/mm of the coin. Your coin is in a grade that is pretty common. Here is one on ebay in about the same condition as yours that you can watch to see how much a raw example sells for http://cgi.ebay.com/United-States-M...em43a6aa90d7
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 Posted 04/27/2011  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexzwarenstein to your friends list
I think that maybe I used the term 'high end', wrongly...not the condition so much as the date..with the thought it just might be good enough. I appreciate the input...so, theoretically... What are the variables that would persuade a serious seller to get a coin graded? is it always price? is there a cut off in terms of price that makes it not worth doing? I think it was Superdave some days/weeks ago who suggested that in general the disadvantage is the perception of having been cherry-picked?
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 Posted 04/27/2011  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidZerbato to your friends list
If you want to sell it, I would suggest getting it graded. That will allow the buyer to have more confidence in its authenticity and grade, and will allow you to get more money, especially on a site such as ebay. At a few hundred dollars, its probably worth it to get it graded. You should make up the cost in the sale price.
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 Posted 04/28/2011  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
usually as a rule of thumb for me is if the coin isn't worth 10-200 at least I don't ever send them in for grading. If I have one that is highly counterfeited and I am wanting to sell it, then I may submit it for grading if its around the 100.00 mark just so the buyer knows its real without question
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 Posted 04/28/2011  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexzwarenstein to your friends list
Bryan1315..the coin on your post says it all..that is a very pretty example. I have reshot my coin. It is definitely more ordinary looking...looks metalic rather than silvery. I shot the previuos images of it with too much contrast...here are 4 views of it lit from 2 angles for both sides.
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 Posted 04/28/2011  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexzwarenstein to your friends list
P.S. Looking at Red Books description of a Morgan forgery, describes and illustrates thick less elegant type. This does not seem to have that.
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 Posted 04/28/2011  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JackB to your friends list
Alex, I think they have a new policy of not posting imageshack links, recent questionable pop-ups. They want you to embed the actual jpg directly inline. I think that's a new request/rule...
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 Posted 04/28/2011  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Compelling reasons to have a coin professionally graded are, first and foremost, based on value. That value could be monetary due to grade/rarity, or perceived due to demand. Secondarily, one would wish to submit a coin if authenticity is a question, but the first reason applies here also.

In all but one eventuality, this process is meant for those who follow you, not yourself. That one exception is if it's your wish to participate in the various TPG Registries. Not for me, but a perfectly valid reason for collectors who wish to swim in those waters.

Otherwise, you have a coin graded against the moment when it leaves your collection. Perhaps you wish to liquidate it in the near future; perhaps you are protecting the interests of those who will inherit the collection upon your passing. Graded coins are far easier for an heir who may not have numismatic knowledge, and many collectors have the specific interest of providing economic gain for their heirs via the collection.

When authenticity is in question, plenty of resources are available beyond the TPG route. Dealers and individual specialists who can conclusively evaluate your coin abound; in many cases you can simply post photos of appropriate quality at a place like Coin Community.

I mention "perceived" value. Just because a given coin isn't worth a lot today, does not mean it won't increase in value tomorrow. Varieties become recognized for rarity unknown in the present; collectors turn to new series either through success or inability to succeed against demand in their current series. I see a particularly strong future upside in my own concentration of Morgan dollar varieties.

....which is the specific context of my comment regarding "cherrypicking." In the current state of the specialty, collectors of Morgan dollar varieties are prone to offer more enthusiastic money for coins they perceive to be unknown to the seller. It's a purely psychological effect, unrelated to the true value of the variety. Some varieties are of known rarity and value; these are better bought and sold in an attributed slab.

It all boils down to value, though. For me, that arbitrary value line is in the vicinity of $150-200. Today, or in the future.
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 Posted 04/28/2011  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
I think this is either a VAM-1 or a VAM-2 because the CC is shifted left, what differentiates these two is the open or closed "9" in the date. I realy think its a VAM-1 but if you are wanting to know which VAM it is, this is where I would start. There aren't allot of 1879-CC VAM's categorized so it should be rather simple to find out which one this ishttp://img827.imageshack.us/img827/...ccheads1.jpg
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 Posted 04/28/2011  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexzwarenstein to your friends list
Firstly I would like to thank SuperDave for spending so much time and thought on responding to me. I am definitely learning and enjoying. Much thanks. Alex.
Bryan1315, I love your thought about the coin being a VAM,(just looked that up. I looked at some other CC's and I am having a hard time seeing what you are seeing. They all look a little off centre/left. Would you be able to point out what you are seeing?
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 Posted 04/28/2011  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexzwarenstein to your friends list
JackB..I can't see my earlier response to you, but I want to thank you for giving me a heads up on the policy regarding Image Shack.
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 Posted 04/28/2011  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JackB to your friends list
Welcome - didn't want to be a jerk, don't want to see you admonished! I don't know what they do, actually; guidelines more than hard-time rules, I think.
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 Posted 04/28/2011  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list
Great commentary superdave
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