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 Posted 05/09/2011  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add razorear to your friends list
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 Posted 05/09/2011  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add If You Got the Money Honey to your friends list
Here are some more pictures. Hope it helps and thank you for your observations.

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 Posted 05/09/2011  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
Jagged lines are quite normal for delaminations and the thick straight line at the left wheat ear is the edge of the delamintion where it was broken off of the coin. Do not concentrate so much on the outline of the delamination, that is largely irrelevant. Look at the area where the metal has peeled- you can still see visible design elements hiding in the grain of the metal, that would be impossible for PMD.
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 Posted 05/09/2011  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
I would agree that this is a lamination error.
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 Posted 05/09/2011  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scurry64 to your friends list
I never considered PMD. It is as obvious as can be, because of the visible design elements beneath the delaminated area, that this is delamination. I'm just curious about the form it took.

By the way ifyougotthemoneyhoney, I like your coin. I think its a great find, one I would be happy to have found myself. I like unique coins like yours.
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 Posted 05/09/2011  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list
Great call on the design elements still visable. I was focusing on the base of the "T" in cent for the delamination call.
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 Posted 05/09/2011  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add If You Got the Money Honey to your friends list
Thank you for all your expertise. Could you tell me please what something like this is worth? Or at least a ballpark figure if it were for sale.
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 Posted 05/10/2011  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frazzle to your friends list
If your lucky you might get 4 or 5.00 on ebay
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 Posted 05/10/2011  07:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add copper nickel daddy to your friends list
Nasty lamination (in a good way!) Like it a lot.
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 Posted 05/10/2011  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list

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That is a large delamination, the bottom curl of the peel is still attached and you can see another peel forming at the right wheat ear. It is caused by a weakness in the alloy which leads to a poor internal bond.
That bottom area is sitting well-up from the surface. If it's a part of the delamination that didn't peel off how do you explain why it didn't take any impression from the stalk? That bottom area was depressed when the coin was struck, that's why the stalk didn't "take" on it. It was a "negative" impression on the planchet struck by a "negative" impression on the die. Note, too, how the bottom of it is rather uniformly "ribbed," as opposed to "smooth." That's kind of odd, as well.

I don't know. Just throwing this whole error off on a delamination doesn't seem like quite the whole story, here.
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 Posted 05/10/2011  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
The initial striking of the coin has nothing to do with the lamination, they are unrelated as the delamination occurred post-mint. If you straightened out the curl, it would have as-minted detail on the side that cannot be seen in the photo. The ribbing you see is just the grain of the metal.
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 Posted 05/10/2011  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add timsumrall to your friends list
The ribbing matches the ribbing underneath. The ribbing was caused by the alloy mix. Imagine a woody sliced at an angle to the flat plane.

The bent up area happened after the strike. The impression of the stalk is hidden underneath.

I do not mean to sound "matter of fact" just my best guess.

Edit: I mean I agree with Bio This is what happens when you get distracted while posting.
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 Posted 05/10/2011  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list
Wait a minute, are we talking about the same area? I'm talking about that bottom, raised area, running over the wheat stalk, that didn't take any impression from the wheat stalk. That area was either sitting down on the planchet or down on the die, itself. What else would explain why it didn't take any impression from the wheat stalk on the strike?
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 Posted 05/10/2011  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add timsumrall to your friends list
I think so. It looks like a rat-tailed comb. I see the impression of the stalk above it (very thinly outlined). We are saying the bent over part (the head of the comb) happened after the strike.

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 Posted 05/10/2011  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add timsumrall to your friends list
The pink right over the comb is a clue that this area was not exposed as long as the rest.
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