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Stronger Dollar, Metals Rising?

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 Posted 06/15/2011  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
One guy on Fox Business says this is mainly because of Greece. Is that really the big shock here? That Greece can't repay its debt? How is jumping into the dollar a safe haven? Isn't that like jumping from the frying pan into the fire? Hello...

Well at least PMs are holding pretty good through this so far.
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 Posted 06/15/2011  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hockingzig to your friends list
PMs are actually starting to gain ground on the opening values. The whole Greece thing is the domino effect it will have on European banks in general. I just heard this morning that 2 French banks and I believe they said a German bank are being downgraded because of the amount of Greek debt they hold. What a disincentive for anyone to work with Greece on restructuring or buying new debt. We are certainly in uncharted waters when you look at the worldwide issues,and I don't see any answers forthcoming! I am definitely in hunker down mode. Forget MAKING money,just get ready to protect what you have! Several folks on CNBC mentioned $1600 gold possibly by years end,one of them was Gartman,don't remember who the other was.
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 Posted 06/15/2011  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
I guess the Greece Prime Minister is willing to form a new government now.
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 Posted 06/15/2011  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hockingzig to your friends list
I wonder if they changed the government and then renamed the country if they could get out of their debt because they would no longer exist as a political entity? No different than the banks do with their"creative accounting"! Maybe I will pass this suggestion onto our Congress and see what they can do with it!
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 Posted 06/16/2011  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

They could always reform their government and then return to their ancient name of Hellas. Wouldn't that throw the banksters into a tizzy.

Speaking of all these national debt problems... I find it interesting that so many people tell us that government debt is vastly different from personal debt. In some technical terms, it probably is, but the very same rules of Econ 101 still apply, whether to a nation or to an individual. Spending more than you have is still a BAD idea! In many cases, borrowing money for something today is doing nothing more than stealing prosperity from our descendants and spending it. This is a shameful idea and it should never be done except in those very rare cases of national emergency. Funding World War II was just such a case. Today, though, we seem to do it as a matter of convenience... for us, that is. Our kids and grand kids get to pay the bill for it.

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 Posted 06/22/2011  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
The dollar is breaking down and gold is breaking out today. Gold looks like it will test the May high now.
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 Posted 06/22/2011  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hockingzig to your friends list
On to $1600!
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 Posted 06/22/2011  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
Wow 1554, not the beer but the price of gold. Seems like 1550 was the all time high before that last month. I agree with Hock, it has caught wind in its sails and 1600 is on the horizon....
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 Posted 06/22/2011  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list

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Seems like 1550 was the all time high before that last month


IIRC it was closer to 1565.
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 Posted 07/11/2011  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hockingzig to your friends list
Here we go again! Dollar up significantly and gold is still WAY UP! This may be the decoupling that leads to the demise of currencies and a slow trek back to commodities backed currencies. I think the world is weary from the sovereign debt/bailout reruns! It's like bad reality tv,we watch it like we gawk at fatal accidents but get tired of it pretty quickly. I hope the people of the world are waking up and realizing currencies WILL FAIL,it is just a matter of when and how.
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 Posted 07/11/2011  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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I hope the people of the world are waking up and realizing currencies WILL FAIL,it is just a matter of when and how.

One would hope that to be the case but we all know that the vast majority cannot see that watching the fiat currencies is like watching two trains headed for each other on the same track. The result is inevitable... and obvious to anyone who is paying attention. Unfortunately, all too many people are wasting their lives away, watching idiotic shows on TV instead of learning about the state of the world around them. Then, when these trains finally do collide and a massive mess occurs, they are shocked... stunned, even... that it has happened. They are, of course, totally unprepared for the times that result.

Fortunately for the rest of us, these mental midgets do not frequent this web site. OTOH, maybe they should. They could learn some things here that would do them a world of good. There is no end of kindly folks here who would love to teach them a thing or two.
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 Posted 07/11/2011  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
I am seeing a bit of a trend it seems here over the summer....

For example first I will use gold. It seems to go up to 1554, then it falls back to 1485 perhaps and it catches support and repeats itself, at least what seems like a couple of times here for the first part of summer anyway....

Then silver the same thing, say it gets up to 37 and some change, then it falls to 33 and some change, and it starts back again....

Seems like that above lines up to what most of you said about the summer months before it arrived....

If the trend mentioned above stay the course, we will see some falls over the rest of the week, back down to the high 1400's for gold, and silver will fall back to 33 and some change. This may repeat till say early August I would figure....

Of Course every day is a new day, and with this news about the Italian market mentioned above, could totally throw that perceived trend out the window....
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 Posted 07/12/2011  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
. Hawk. There is a wild card in this deck, though, and that is the big bad unknown financial event. There are a number of these lined up and awaiting their cue to come on stage and play their part. We have HUGE debt problems, both in Europe and in the US, that seem to be competing for our attention and the impact they can have on the world's financial systems and on PMs. If Greece were to finally bite the bullet and default, there would be a huge, albeit temporary, panic in the Euro zone. There would also be considerable spill-over into the US markets. Even then, we would have the other PIIGS countries and their problems exacerbating the situation, perhaps considerably.

Then, of course, we have the US debt crisis and a congress / president unwilling to negotiate a successful compromise that would create the process needed to resolve this issue over time. No telling what will happen if the US goes into technical default. There is no doubt in my mind that the tax money coming in is sufficient to pay for the things that we REALLY need. The main problem of this is that government would finally have to go on a very strict diet and prioritize where they should spend the tax money, rather than just throw billions at every problem that comes along. While that may be easier and more popular with those who benefit from it, it is also a terrible and unsustainable monetary policy.

The thought that keeps nagging at the back of my mind is not, "How can we solve these debt and spending problems?", or, How can we solve them in the best possible way?". No, we seem to be past that time. The question now before us is, "Can these problems be solved at all?". At this stage, I am not convinced that they can be solved. At least not by the current government.

All of which should be extremely bullish for all of the PMs but perhaps most for gold and then for silver.
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 Posted 07/12/2011  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hockingzig to your friends list
Ed_B,I am in the same place you are. I don't think these debt problems can be fixed in any rational way. Austerity can only be pushed so far but once you create a monster you only have two choices,feed it or kill it,if you don't,it will turn on you and devour you. I don't know what the answer is but I think we blew the opportunities a few years ago to change our path. I fear now,the medicine is stronger that the patient(the American people)can abide.
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 Posted 07/13/2011  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
I think that you are right about that, Hock. I see really big problems in the same way as I would facing the problem of a large meteor coming towards the Earth. The farther away it is when we take action against it, the smaller the force can be and still deflect it from hitting us. The longer we wait, however, the more force is needed and the smaller the deflection is that results from our action. Clearly, doing a little ASAP is at least as good as, if not better than, waiting until the last minute and then going all out.

Like you, I believe that there are solutions that can be used to solve our huge debt and spending problems over time. We really do not need to solve it quickly but we do need to establish a process whereby it will become solved over time. Whether or not this can be done in a politically acceptable way is something that no one knows. I hope that this would be the case but am afraid that it isn't.

While we are currently facing some huge financial problems, this could also be seen as an opportunity to make some good long-range changes that would lead to a sustainable financial future for us, our families, and for future generations of Americans. Hopefully, enough people who are involved in creating the solutions that we need will also see the opportunity here and take advantage of them.

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