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1878-P 8TF Morgan Dollar

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 Posted 06/04/2011  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add master6238 to your friends list
Well I'm too much of a noob to guess grade, I would just make a fool of myself :) But I will say that is a nice one! Awesome doubling!
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 Posted 06/04/2011  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sharpbfast to your friends list
haha I'm there with you master
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 Posted 06/12/2011  01:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sharpbfast to your friends list
OK SO I THINK I GOT SOME BETTER PICTURES. I BELIEVE THIS IS A VAM 19. BEEN TRYING TO RESEARCH A LOT ON VM. I DON'T HAVE A CAMERA THIS IS FROM MY SCANNER.

TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.

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 Posted 06/12/2011  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Yeah, I think VAM-19 is the attribution here. Grade is a tough call from these images; I almost get the impression of a slightly-circulated coin based on hair detail. VAM-19 was the first use of that die, and examples tend to have sharp strikes.
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 Posted 06/12/2011  02:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sharpbfast to your friends list
Thanks! Yea this is from my scanner really doesn't do it justice. But thanks for your input. I do appreciate it.
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 Posted 06/12/2011  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Well, I'm not coming down firmly on any grade here. The surfaces certainly point towards at least a high-end 64 if it's Mint State, but the photos are a tad small to be conclusive.

Keep in mind, MS65 is pretty rarefied atmosphere for this VAM, and a TPG would be hesitant to award the grade.
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 Posted 06/12/2011  02:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sharpbfast to your friends list
superdave, I've been reading so much about TPG on here and has me hesitant to try and send my in. Plus I don't know any local dealers and personally wouldn't trust any of them with it.

And sorry for the photos just don't have the technology to make better photos.
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 Posted 06/12/2011  02:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
It's all good, man.

Go register at Heritage Auctions (ha.com). It's free, and gives you access to their auction archives full of coin images at stupid resolution. They have records of a number of VAM-19 auctions up to MS65, and will give you a pretty good frame of reference to compare your coin to. That'll be a better grading aid than any opinion someone here could give you.
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 Posted 06/12/2011  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Las_Vegas_Larry to your friends list
The photos are great sharpbfast. What camera are you using?

SuperDave great attribution.

First look at that coin and it looks like a bad counterfeit.
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 Posted 06/12/2011  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sharpbfast to your friends list
Its not a camera its my scanner on my printer. Counterfeit?
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 Posted 06/12/2011  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
I don't think its counterfeit and agree with the VAM-19 attribution, which pretty much cancels out the counterfeit suggestion (unless it was a cast copy of a VAM-19 which this definitely isn't) I think this would probably grade MS-64 if it is uncirculated but to be honest I think it may have lightly circulated just because as SuperDave mentioned VAM-19 was the first striking of this die and there are usually no flat spots like you see on this coin on a VAM-19 unless it is circulated. I know some scanners can cause a coin to look flat and have no luster but never seen a scanner cause details to look flat. f its circulated I would probably say AU-55-58 no lower and as was said above if Uncirculated I could not go any higher than MS-64 from these photos
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 Posted 06/12/2011  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sharpbfast to your friends list
where are you talking about it being flat? I'm looking at the coin and the details do pop out.
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 Posted 06/13/2011  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
the hair detail right above the ear is usually the first place that gets worn on Morgans on the Obverse. 1878's can have flatness in this area and still be Uncirculated but its usually because the dies have been used so much and that bis why I said with it being a VAM-19 (the first striking from this die) I wouldn't expect to see this flatness in this area
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 Posted 06/13/2011  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list


Couldn't have said it better myself.
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 Posted 06/13/2011  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Las_Vegas_Larry to your friends list
I did not meen I thought it is a counterfeit.

If one did not know it was authentic it does not have the chrisp detail of most morgan strikes.

I agree 100% with the attribution. It is a good call by SuperDave.



Bryan1315 I couldn't have said it better my self.
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