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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes, I have a thought on this... and it is that 200 oz. of silver is a great start but probably is not enough to see you through an extended SHTF scenario. Think several months before anything approaching normalcy returns. Remember that such scenarios will be times of great social and political upheaval. Anything that is very useful AND in short supply will be VERY expensive, even if you do have gold and silver. The trick there is that if you have PMs, you will likely be allowed to buy what you need with it. Most people will not have any silver or gold, so will be SOL as far as buying food, fuel, ammo, etc.
As to 1-oz. gold coins... yeah, they are really too big to be useful for barter unless you are buying a piece of land or a home. Several of them could be used for that purpose. They would be too big to be useful for buying your everyday needs. The 1/10th and 1/4 oz. coins might be more useful for that.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If youre gonna do anything, get Classic US gold Quarter and half eagles.
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New Member
 United States
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Yeah, I understand the premium cost issue. But if you're going to make that argument, why would anyone ever buy fractional coins at all? Quote: If youre gonna do anything, get Classic US gold Quarter and half eagles. You want to talk about high premiums, no thanks! Even the 1/10 oz eagles don't have this high of a premium. Unless you know of a source that I don't for getting these closer to spot price. Please share if you do. I would love to own 'old' gold but it's just not economical. I know 200oz of AG isn't enough but I'm constantly adding to it. It's a lot easier to buy a couple silver dimes or quarters at a time than it is to make any kind of gold purchase. 1 gram gold bars are murder because of the premiums. I wait until I get tax refunds or other large chunks of change to buy gold for this reason.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2120 Posts |
Most circulated quarter eagle and half eagle pieces I see sell for spot + a couple bucks.
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New Member
 United States
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Please, do tell where you see these deals. I just looked through ebay (active and completed) and the only ones going for close to spot are the heavily damaged, former jewelery pieces. I would prefer not to buy something that unsightly. I wouldn't mind something in the F-EF-XF range. Are there certain dates that I should look for that would go cheaper than the rest? And you know the pre-33 gold have a different AGW than their modern counterparts, right? I see you have a high post count, so I'm assuming you knew this. If so, please don't take offense. I only just recently learned this as I had just assumed it was always the same.
Edited by gilpo 07/15/2011 2:09 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
759 Posts |
Given your primary motive, it makes no sense to trade 1 oz. of gold for less than an oz. of gold. If the SHTF scenario happens, you will have no problem conducting commerce with a 1 oz. Maple Leaf.
FWIW, I don't expect either me or the kids will ever be paying gold for anything, but I do believe we'll see higher prices than now.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2120 Posts |
Lol its cool. Yes I knew that. and good on ya for not assuming I knew just cause I have a high post count.
I find these at brick and mortar shops mostly. Most of the ones in my area sell common raw XF and less Classic gold for just a hair over spot.
Though most of their bullion class gold is this way. I got a 1/4 ounce Gold libertad the other day for Spot + $5.
If you like I can see what they have, and if you are interested I could facilitate the exchange, if you want.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
Quote: I know 200oz of AG isn't enough but I'm constantly adding to it. It's a lot easier to buy a couple silver dimes or quarters at a time than it is to make any kind of gold purchase. Amen to that, Bro! That gold is SPENDY stuff! Adding to my silver hoard as I can seems to be working quite nicely. I've only been at this for about 5 months, yet I am up to 96 oz. so far. Would love to attend a coin show sometime but have not seen any ads for them lately. Maybe that will change in the fall?
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New Member
 United States
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Check this page out, Ed: http://www.numismaster.com/ta/insid...Week=1&@mc=1I've been able to find a lot of listings there that I may have missed in the paper. ianmprice: I may have to take you up on that offer if you're serious. I just caught wind of a new coin store that just opened so I'm going to check them out first and I'll get back to you. What part of the country are you in? Here we have to pay sales tax on coins so it kind of kills it at 7%.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Gilpo. With all things considered, if your trying to hold on to as much value as possible, I would just keep the Maple Leaf. You are right, taxes and fees associated with selling bullion are going to hurt you if all your going to do is take that money and buy more bullion. The exception would be if you can find a friend to trade with. When you get enough posts, you could trade on the forums with relatively little cost other than shipping.
If you need the cash, it's a different story....but remember, you can always sell it later if you need some money, or exchange it for part fractionals and part cash.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
Interesting page. Did not see anything even remotely close to my location but will keep an eye on this page to see if anything comes up in the fall. Thanks for the URL. 
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Moderator
 United States
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I like what johnny54321 said ;)
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
Quote: And you know the pre-33 gold have a different AGW than their modern counterparts, right? I see you have a high post count, so I'm assuming you knew this. If so, please don't take offense. I only just recently learned this as I had just assumed it was always the same. For general info, most "old" gold fits the 900 fine pattern with the amount of gold = to $20.67 an ounce. For thumbnail calculations, the 3.35% shortage is ignored. The AGE were designed to compete with the krand, and not only have a different AGW, but are the same purity (22k), color and dimensions as the krand. To make sure the AGE got off to a good start, the US banned importation of krands a few months before, citing apartheid, which was 100% BS, since you could import all the 100 oz SA bars you wanted. Once AGE were established, the ban was conveniently lifted.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
Quote: To make sure the AGE got off to a good start, the US banned importation of krands a few months before, citing apartheid, which was 100% BS, since you could import all the 100 oz SA bars you wanted. Yeah, that excuse never made any sense to me back then. It seemed to me that since most of the gold miners in S. Africa were blacks, refusing to buy the product of their labors would only harm the miners... supposedly, the very people that the so-called anti-apartheid policy sought to help. :-/
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Like ebay, the government never lies. It's just taken the Internet for people to compare notes and see where their "truth" makes no sense.
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